The Falklands

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

The Falklands

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Page 4 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >

NickinOX Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 4.15pm
Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle Say what you like, but Pinochet was our best ally the first time round. The USA dragged their heels with that pathetically idealistic Haig mission and only succumbed because of the legacy of Suez in any case. I'm under no illusions with that lot, count on the Yanks for nothing. It pains me to say it but the Frogs were tremendously helpful with military advice and hardware, but then again they too had vestiges of an Empire and didn't exactly want worrying precedents to set in. And if anyone blabs about EU solidarity, I invite you to study the conditions they attached to their support, including hikes in CAP contributions. They're charlatans, not mates. Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (31 Mar 2016 3.51pm) You need to read a decent history of the war. The French provided help by assisting Britain in stopping Argentina getting more exocet missiles. However, a French technical team stayed in Argentina during the war and was instrumental in making sure the Argentinian's launching equipment worked, and they actually fixed three exocet launchers for the Argentinians. So, the French did help. The US, on the other hand, angered Thatcher at first by trying to be even-handed (and Jeanne Kirkpatrik (US ambassador to UN) was actively pro-Argentinian). However, once the peace plan failed and Reagan asserted himself, the US provided the UK with Sidewinder AIM9Ls which proved critical in the air fight. They also offered the loan of a large amphibious task ship to replace any carrier losses, provided access to Ascension Island (which they did not have to under the terms of their deal), refueled the task force when the British were unable to provide sufficient stocks, and they provided intelligence support. But apart from that they did nothing... If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
Alert a moderator to this post

NickinOX

Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle

Say what you like, but Pinochet was our best ally the first time round. The USA dragged their heels with that pathetically idealistic Haig mission and only succumbed because of the legacy of Suez in any case. I'm under no illusions with that lot, count on the Yanks for nothing. It pains me to say it but the Frogs were tremendously helpful with military advice and hardware, but then again they too had vestiges of an Empire and didn't exactly want worrying precedents to set in. And if anyone blabs about EU solidarity, I invite you to study the conditions they attached to their support, including hikes in CAP contributions. They're charlatans, not mates.

Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (31 Mar 2016 3.51pm)

You need to read a decent history of the war.

The French provided help by assisting Britain in stopping Argentina getting more exocet missiles. However, a French technical team stayed in Argentina during the war and was instrumental in making sure the Argentinian's launching equipment worked, and they actually fixed three exocet launchers for the Argentinians. So, the French did help.

The US, on the other hand, angered Thatcher at first by trying to be even-handed (and Jeanne Kirkpatrik (US ambassador to UN) was actively pro-Argentinian). However, once the peace plan failed and Reagan asserted himself, the US provided the UK with Sidewinder AIM9Ls which proved critical in the air fight. They also offered the loan of a large amphibious task ship to replace any carrier losses, provided access to Ascension Island (which they did not have to under the terms of their deal), refueled the task force when the British were unable to provide sufficient stocks, and they provided intelligence support. But apart from that they did nothing...

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

Alert a moderator to this post

nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 31 Mar 16 4.26pm
Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle Say what you like, but Pinochet was our best ally the first time round. The USA dragged their heels with that pathetically idealistic Haig mission and only succumbed because of the legacy of Suez in any case. I'm under no illusions with that lot, count on the Yanks for nothing. It pains me to say it but the Frogs were tremendously helpful with military advice and hardware, but then again they too had vestiges of an Empire and didn't exactly want worrying precedents to set in. And if anyone blabs about EU solidarity, I invite you to study the conditions they attached to their support, including hikes in CAP contributions. They're charlatans, not mates. Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (31 Mar 2016 3.51pm) Yes, they were, to both sides... Duplicitous c***s. [Link]
Alert a moderator to this post

nhp61

Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 31 Mar 16 4.26pm

Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle

Say what you like, but Pinochet was our best ally the first time round. The USA dragged their heels with that pathetically idealistic Haig mission and only succumbed because of the legacy of Suez in any case. I'm under no illusions with that lot, count on the Yanks for nothing. It pains me to say it but the Frogs were tremendously helpful with military advice and hardware, but then again they too had vestiges of an Empire and didn't exactly want worrying precedents to set in. And if anyone blabs about EU solidarity, I invite you to study the conditions they attached to their support, including hikes in CAP contributions. They're charlatans, not mates.

Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (31 Mar 2016 3.51pm)

Yes, they were, to both sides...

Duplicitous c***s.

[Link]

Alert a moderator to this post

nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 31 Mar 16 4.28pm
NickinOX beat me to it! Apologies, I should have checked before I posted. Edited by nhp61 (31 Mar 2016 4.29pm)
Alert a moderator to this post

nhp61

Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 31 Mar 16 4.28pm

NickinOX beat me to it!

Apologies, I should have checked before I posted.

Edited by nhp61 (31 Mar 2016 4.29pm)

Alert a moderator to this post

Stuk Top half 31 Mar 16 4.40pm
Originally posted by NickinOX You need to read a decent history of the war. The French provided help by assisting Britain in stopping Argentina getting more exocet missiles. However, a French technical team stayed in Argentina during the war and was instrumental in making sure the Argentinian's launching equipment worked, and they actually fixed three exocet launchers for the Argentinians. So, the French did help. The US, on the other hand, angered Thatcher at first by trying to be even-handed (and Jeanne Kirkpatrik (US ambassador to UN) was actively pro-Argentinian). However, once the peace plan failed and Reagan asserted himself, the US provided the UK with Sidewinder AIM9Ls which proved critical in the air fight. They also offered the loan of a large amphibious task ship to replace any carrier losses, provided access to Ascension Island (which they did not have to under the terms of their deal), refueled the task force when the British were unable to provide sufficient stocks, and they provided intelligence support. But apart from that they did nothing... That's our island. Do you mean access to the US base on it? Optimistic as ever
Alert a moderator to this post

Stuk

Top half 31 Mar 16 4.40pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

You need to read a decent history of the war.

The US, on the other hand, angered Thatcher at first by trying to be even-handed (and Jeanne Kirkpatrik (US ambassador to UN) was actively pro-Argentinian). However, once the peace plan failed and Reagan asserted himself, the US provided the UK with Sidewinder AIM9Ls which proved critical in the air fight. They also offered the loan of a large amphibious task ship to replace any carrier losses, provided access to Ascension Island (which they did not have to under the terms of their deal), refueled the task force when the British were unable to provide sufficient stocks, and they provided intelligence support. But apart from that they did nothing...

That's our island. Do you mean access to the US base on it?

Optimistic as ever

Alert a moderator to this post

Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Mar 16 5.59pm
[Tweet Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (31 Mar 2016 5.59pm)
Alert a moderator to this post \| Board Moderator

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 31 Mar 16 5.59pm

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (31 Mar 2016 5.59pm)

Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 31 Mar 16 6.11pm
Originally posted by NickinOX You need to read a decent history of the war. The French provided help by assisting Britain in stopping Argentina getting more exocet missiles. However, a French technical team stayed in Argentina during the war and was instrumental in making sure the Argentinian's launching equipment worked, and they actually fixed three exocet launchers for the Argentinians. So, the French did help. The US, on the other hand, angered Thatcher at first by trying to be even-handed (and Jeanne Kirkpatrik (US ambassador to UN) was actively pro-Argentinian). However, once the peace plan failed and Reagan asserted himself, the US provided the UK with Sidewinder AIM9Ls which proved critical in the air fight. They also offered the loan of a large amphibious task ship to replace any carrier losses, provided access to Ascension Island (which they did not have to under the terms of their deal), refueled the task force when the British were unable to provide sufficient stocks, and they provided intelligence support. But apart from that they did nothing... Apart from the fact that I thought Ascension was a RAF Station, but also used by the US. The spat was over re-fuelling equipment. After Thatcher directly spoke to "Raygun", the US pro Argentine bias was sorted in the US administration. The all aspect sidewinders were crucial to the Harriers performance even though the landings weren't exactly under air superamacy. BTW, it was the Iwo Jima LPH that was offered. As for the French, I suppose the only saving grace was that at the time we had no military treaties with them but reprehensible. Edited by pefwin (31 Mar 2016 6.25pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
Alert a moderator to this post

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 31 Mar 16 6.11pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

You need to read a decent history of the war.

Apart from the fact that I thought Ascension was a RAF Station, but also used by the US. The spat was over re-fuelling equipment.

After Thatcher directly spoke to "Raygun", the US pro Argentine bias was sorted in the US administration.

The all aspect sidewinders were crucial to the Harriers performance even though the landings weren't exactly under air superamacy.

BTW, it was the Iwo Jima LPH that was offered.

As for the French, I suppose the only saving grace was that at the time we had no military treaties with them but reprehensible.

Edited by pefwin (31 Mar 2016 6.25pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Alert a moderator to this post

NickinOX Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 6.18pm
Originally posted by Stuk That's our island. Do you mean access to the US base on it? Yes. And by the terms of the lease at the time, they did not have to provide access, let alone provide us with their fuel. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
Alert a moderator to this post

NickinOX

Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 6.18pm

Originally posted by Stuk

That's our island. Do you mean access to the US base on it?

Yes. And by the terms of the lease at the time, they did not have to provide access, let alone provide us with their fuel.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

Alert a moderator to this post

Stuk Top half 31 Mar 16 8.44pm
Originally posted by NickinOX Yes. And by the terms of the lease at the time, they did not have to provide access, let alone provide us with their fuel. Helpful, but slightly different to allowing us access to our own island. Optimistic as ever
Alert a moderator to this post

Stuk

Top half 31 Mar 16 8.44pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

Yes. And by the terms of the lease at the time, they did not have to provide access, let alone provide us with their fuel.

Helpful, but slightly different to allowing us access to our own island.

Optimistic as ever

Alert a moderator to this post

Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Mar 16 8.53pm
And you have the Chagos Islands where around 2,000 men, women and children had to flee their British Indian Ocean territory after Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson leased the islands to America so it could be used as a military airbase during the 1960s cold war. In return, we got a cheaper deal on Polaris nuclear weapons. That lease is now up! Don't think David Cameron has the gumption to let the people return to their home!
Alert a moderator to this post \| Board Moderator

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 31 Mar 16 8.53pm

And you have the Chagos Islands where around 2,000 men, women and children had to flee their British Indian Ocean territory after Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson leased the islands to America so it could be used as a military airbase during the 1960s cold war. In return, we got a cheaper deal on Polaris nuclear weapons.

That lease is now up! Don't think David Cameron has the gumption to let the people return to their home!

Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator

gambler Kent 31 Mar 16 9.04pm
Originally posted by palace777 Somebody dig up Maggie!! Yeah. To check the c*** is still dead.
Alert a moderator to this post

gambler

Kent 31 Mar 16 9.04pm

Originally posted by palace777

Somebody dig up Maggie!!

Yeah. To check the c*** is still dead.

Alert a moderator to this post

NickinOX Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 9.06pm
Originally posted by Stuk Helpful, but slightly different to allowing us access to our own island. It might be a British island, but the bit required for the Falklands task force had been leased to the US. Given that access to the airfield was essential (as I understand it, this was the bit the US had leased), it pretty much amounts to the same thing. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
Alert a moderator to this post

NickinOX

Sailing country. 31 Mar 16 9.06pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Helpful, but slightly different to allowing us access to our own island.

It might be a British island, but the bit required for the Falklands task force had been leased to the US. Given that access to the airfield was essential (as I understand it, this was the bit the US had leased), it pretty much amounts to the same thing.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

Alert a moderator to this post

Bert the Head Epsom 31 Mar 16 10.17pm
Originally posted by palace777 Somebody dig up Maggie!! Presumably the Maggie who took the credit for getting it back at the expense of soldiers and not the Maggie who lost it in the first pace because of monetarism.
Alert a moderator to this post

Bert the Head

Epsom 31 Mar 16 10.17pm

Originally posted by palace777

Somebody dig up Maggie!!

Presumably the Maggie who took the credit for getting it back at the expense of soldiers and not the Maggie who lost it in the first pace because of monetarism.

Alert a moderator to this post

Page 4 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Crystal Palace FC Supporters' Website - The Holmesdale Online

The Falklands

Site Map

New users

Existing users

Sponsors