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Sportyteacher London 20 Feb 16 6.33pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Voting: out Zero wage rises Chronic housing shortage Massively stretched NHS Shortage of school places General overpopulation Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity. That’s enough to sway me. I think that you'll find that to be the result of poor UK governance to date from past and present governments. By the way, have you not ever considered the number of Johnny Englanders who have moved abroad as opposed to the number of folk moving in?
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Sportyteacher

London 20 Feb 16 6.33pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Voting: out

Zero wage rises
Chronic housing shortage
Massively stretched NHS
Shortage of school places
General overpopulation
Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity.

That’s enough to sway me.

I think that you'll find that to be the result of poor UK governance to date from past and present governments. By the way, have you not ever considered the number of Johnny Englanders who have moved abroad as opposed to the number of folk moving in?

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 20 Feb 16 7.04pm
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace Both sides have strong arguments and I daresay in the coming months we'll hear them both to death. Personally I feel that the country has long been in a gradual state of decay and that a lack of control over our own affairs is a big part of that. Additionally the arrogance of the EU irritates me and I don't see why we should continue to put so much into a club where we are despised by most of the other members. Why are we despised by most members?
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Covington.Tennessee 20 Feb 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Both sides have strong arguments and I daresay in the coming months we'll hear them both to death. Personally I feel that the country has long been in a gradual state of decay and that a lack of control over our own affairs is a big part of that.

Additionally the arrogance of the EU irritates me and I don't see why we should continue to put so much into a club where we are despised by most of the other members.

Why are we despised by most members?

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 20 Feb 16 7.15pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher I think that you'll find that to be the result of poor UK governance to date from past and present governments. By the way, have you not ever considered the number of Johnny Englanders who have moved abroad as opposed to the number of folk moving in? That's a given. But ''Johnny Englanders'' (how sarcastic is that) being replaced by those who generally choose NOT to integrate with the ''Johnny Englanders'' that remain, is the issue for many. Get it? Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 20 Feb 16 7.15pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

I think that you'll find that to be the result of poor UK governance to date from past and present governments. By the way, have you not ever considered the number of Johnny Englanders who have moved abroad as opposed to the number of folk moving in?

That's a given.
But ''Johnny Englanders'' (how sarcastic is that) being replaced by those who generally choose NOT to integrate with the ''Johnny Englanders'' that remain, is the issue for many.
Get it?

Time to move forward together.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 20 Feb 16 7.22pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher I think that you'll find that to be the result of poor UK governance to date from past and present governments. By the way, have you not ever considered the number of Johnny Englanders who have moved abroad as opposed to the number of folk moving in? Yes you are of course correct - it is indeed the result of poor UK governance. After all it is the government to blame for allowing an open door immigration policy which caused all the above. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (20 Feb 2016 7.23pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 20 Feb 16 7.22pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Yes you are of course correct - it is indeed the result of poor UK governance.

After all it is the government to blame for allowing an open door immigration policy which caused all the above.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (20 Feb 2016 7.23pm)

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 20 Feb 16 7.38pm
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace I will definitely be voting for us to regain our sovereignty. Unfortunately the odds currently suggest that there is a 75% chance we will stay. I would have thought that regaining our sovereignty would be the number one issue.
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Covington.Tennessee 20 Feb 16 7.38pm

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

I will definitely be voting for us to regain our sovereignty. Unfortunately the odds currently suggest that there is a 75% chance we will stay.

I would have thought that regaining our sovereignty would be the number one issue.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Feb 16 7.56pm
I have gone from better in to unsure. Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 20 Feb 16 7.56pm

I have gone from better in to unsure.

Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 20 Feb 16 8.22pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I have gone from better in to unsure. Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation. Putting aside the immigration problem,which the whole of Europe has. What part of EU legislation don't people like ?
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Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 20 Feb 16 8.22pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I have gone from better in to unsure.

Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation.

Putting aside the immigration problem,which the whole of Europe has.
What part of EU legislation don't people like ?

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miles18 Telford 20 Feb 16 8.30pm
Going to be honest, I know f*** all about all this crap as it never interested me. Can someone tell me 3 good things about in and 3 good for out? .
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Telford 20 Feb 16 8.30pm

Going to be honest, I know f*** all about all this crap as it never interested me.

Can someone tell me 3 good things about in and 3 good for out?

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 20 Feb 16 8.36pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I have gone from better in to unsure. Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation. As history shows after any General Election, our lives will hardly change. But many politicians lives will, due to this particular vote. 'Europe' has caused more problems than it's solved and why has it's 'books' never been accounted for? THAT SHOULD TELL US ALL WE NEED TO KNOW! Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 20 Feb 16 8.36pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I have gone from better in to unsure.

Worth remembering though, even if we leave we are likely to still contribute to the EU and be part of the EEA. Which also means that we will still be subject to a lot of EU legislation.

As history shows after any General Election, our lives will hardly change.
But many politicians lives will, due to this particular vote.
'Europe' has caused more problems than it's solved and why has it's 'books' never been accounted for?

THAT SHOULD TELL US ALL WE NEED TO KNOW!

Time to move forward together.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 16 8.58pm
Originally posted by aquickgame2 Putting aside the immigration problem,which the whole of Europe has. What part of EU legislation don't people like ? Other than the 'darkies can get into Britain' argument, I've not seen much from others on here. I think the EU is too geared towards business rather than individuals and is very neo-liberal in it's appoach. It's all for ttip, which is a dangerous thing. The problem is, if we leave, who is in charge? Even worse neo-liberals who don't give a s*** about the effect their policies have on Joe public. Frying pan / fire situation. Edited by nickgusset (20 Feb 2016 8.58pm)
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Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 16 8.58pm

Originally posted by aquickgame2

Putting aside the immigration problem,which the whole of Europe has.
What part of EU legislation don't people like ?

Other than the 'darkies can get into Britain' argument, I've not seen much from others on here.

I think the EU is too geared towards business rather than individuals and is very neo-liberal in it's appoach. It's all for ttip, which is a dangerous thing.

The problem is, if we leave, who is in charge? Even worse neo-liberals who don't give a s*** about the effect their policies have on Joe public.

Frying pan / fire situation.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Feb 2016 8.58pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 16 9.02pm
Blimey, Michael Gove said this... “Far from providing security in an uncertain world, the EU’s policies have become a source of instability and insecurity. Razor wire once more criss-crosses the continent, historic tensions between nations such as Greece and Germany have resurfaced in ugly ways and the EU is proving incapable of dealing with the current crises in Libya and Syria ... All of these factors, combined with popular anger at the lack of political accountability, has encouraged extremism, to the extent that far-right parties are stronger across the continent than at any time since the 1930s.”
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Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 16 9.02pm

Blimey, Michael Gove said this...

“Far from providing security in an uncertain world, the EU’s policies have become a source of instability and insecurity. Razor wire once more criss-crosses the continent, historic tensions between nations such as Greece and Germany have resurfaced in ugly ways and the EU is proving incapable of dealing with the current crises in Libya and Syria ... All of these factors, combined with popular anger at the lack of political accountability, has encouraged extremism, to the extent that far-right parties are stronger across the continent than at any time since the 1930s.”

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Red Al Reading 20 Feb 16 9.14pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Voting: out Zero wage rises Chronic housing shortage Massively stretched NHS Shortage of school places General overpopulation Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity. That’s enough to sway me. What have any of these got to do with the EU? Blame the Tories for the first 4 and the last two are just plain wrong...
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Reading 20 Feb 16 9.14pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Voting: out

Zero wage rises
Chronic housing shortage
Massively stretched NHS
Shortage of school places
General overpopulation
Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity.

That’s enough to sway me.

What have any of these got to do with the EU? Blame the Tories for the first 4 and the last two are just plain wrong...

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