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Ray in Houston Houston 08 Oct 15 3.34pm
Quote AussiePalace at 08 Oct 2015 4.58am Found out this morning, my car is on the list for re-call. Hopefully I'll get a shiny new vehicle. I'll likely get a two year wait to get it "fixed..." Don't sign anything! It wouldn't surprise me if they try to make you sign a waiver that the recall "fixes" all of the issues and so you have no further recourse. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote AussiePalace at 08 Oct 2015 4.58am

Found out this morning, my car is on the list for re-call.

Hopefully I'll get a shiny new vehicle.

I'll likely get a two year wait to get it "fixed..."

Don't sign anything!

It wouldn't surprise me if they try to make you sign a waiver that the recall "fixes" all of the issues and so you have no further recourse.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 08 Oct 15 3.37pm
Quote Midlands Eagle at 08 Oct 2015 6.28am I very much doubt whether that is true for the majority of people although Green Party members might be the exception. People have a range of different priorities when buying a car with looks, performance and economy having a lot of importance and handling and comfort being up their too but I doubt whether the amount of NOX given out is considered at all and I doubt whether most owners would even know anything about the legal levels for NOX emissions or how much their car was supposed to be emitting VW sold these cars claiming that you can have performance, low emissions and great fuel economy. Turns out that's a lie, and they rigged the cars accordingly. You don't need to be an engineer to have been sold on the lie. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote Midlands Eagle at 08 Oct 2015 6.28am

I very much doubt whether that is true for the majority of people although Green Party members might be the exception.

People have a range of different priorities when buying a car with looks, performance and economy having a lot of importance and handling and comfort being up their too but I doubt whether the amount of NOX given out is considered at all and I doubt whether most owners would even know anything about the legal levels for NOX emissions or how much their car was supposed to be emitting

VW sold these cars claiming that you can have performance, low emissions and great fuel economy. Turns out that's a lie, and they rigged the cars accordingly. You don't need to be an engineer to have been sold on the lie.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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chris123 hove actually 08 Oct 15 3.50pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 Oct 2015 3.07pm Quote chris123 at 08 Oct 2015 12.21pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 08 Oct 2015 8.11am Quote chris123 at 08 Oct 2015 7.11am Corporate governance in Germany needs a jolly good shake up. This plus earlier Bribery issues at VW, Deutsche Bank is so under capitalised that it's almost funny. I work for a German company and the compliance hoops we have to jump through are ludicrous Compliance has nothing to do with Corporate Governance. Not completely accurate, Compliance is a tool that is used as part of ensuring Corporate Governance Compliance should be a regulatory function, operating within the 1st and 2nd line, Corporate Governance operates at entity level along with ethics. Problem with German businesses that I've worked in is insufficient independent challenge at Board level, in particular too many employees on the supervisory Board. The new bloke VW have bought in is ex VW!!
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Corporate governance in Germany needs a jolly good shake up. This plus earlier Bribery issues at VW, Deutsche Bank is so under capitalised that it's almost funny.

I work for a German company and the compliance hoops we have to jump through are ludicrous

Compliance has nothing to do with Corporate Governance.

Not completely accurate, Compliance is a tool that is used as part of ensuring Corporate Governance

Compliance should be a regulatory function, operating within the 1st and 2nd line, Corporate Governance operates at entity level along with ethics. Problem with German businesses that I've worked in is insufficient independent challenge at Board level, in particular too many employees on the supervisory Board. The new bloke VW have bought in is ex VW!!

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 09 Oct 15 3.56pm
Astounding that Germans have been hiding dodgy gas emissions isn't it.......oh wait As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Astounding that Germans have been hiding dodgy gas emissions isn't it.......oh wait

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Stuk Top half 09 Oct 15 4.10pm
"Germany - Poisoning people with gas for over 100 years." It's no "Vorsprung durch technik" is it? Optimistic as ever
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"Germany - Poisoning people with gas for over 100 years."

It's no "Vorsprung durch technik" is it?

Optimistic as ever

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Oct 15 4.42pm
I can't see a quick technical fix to this. Any VW's will doubtless lose performance after recall. Further litigation by customers is highly likely. I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant. I disengage, I turn the page.
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I can't see a quick technical fix to this. Any VW's will doubtless lose performance after recall.
Further litigation by customers is highly likely.

I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Oct 15 6.05pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 09 Oct 2015 4.42pm I can't see a quick technical fix to this. Any VW's will doubtless lose performance after recall. Further litigation by customers is highly likely. I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant. There is a lot more to it than this. It's like a Rich Man Poor Man for the 21st century. Piech knew about the scandal (allegedly) and made comments to the press at the Frankfurt motor show. Piech has been briefing the press (again allegedly) and used this as an opportunity to get his own man back at the top of VW after being ousted himself. Piech has said for years that VW are inefficient but was never able to slim down the workforce due to political & family reasons. This is his revenge, he sees Toyota as being the perfect role model, they make less cars but more profitable, he wants to drive similar efficiencies the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 09 Oct 2015 4.42pm

I can't see a quick technical fix to this. Any VW's will doubtless lose performance after recall.
Further litigation by customers is highly likely.

I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant.

There is a lot more to it than this. It's like a Rich Man Poor Man for the 21st century.

Piech knew about the scandal (allegedly) and made comments to the press at the Frankfurt motor show. Piech has been briefing the press (again allegedly) and used this as an opportunity to get his own man back at the top of VW after being ousted himself.

Piech has said for years that VW are inefficient but was never able to slim down the workforce due to political & family reasons. This is his revenge, he sees Toyota as being the perfect role model, they make less cars but more profitable, he wants to drive similar efficiencies

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Ray in Houston Houston 13 Oct 15 4.41pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 09 Oct 2015 4.42pm I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant. The CEO already bailed and he is floating on his very golden parachute. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 09 Oct 2015 4.42pm

I can visualise this being the end of VW. But also with big-payouts for the execs, and a lot of lower staff being either held accountable, or made redundant.

The CEO already bailed and he is floating on his very golden parachute.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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johnfirewall 15 Oct 15 12.48pm
Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too.
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Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too.

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Stuk Top half 15 Oct 15 1.38pm
Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too. Probably at the expense of it's fuel economy. Optimistic as ever
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Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm

Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too.

Probably at the expense of it's fuel economy.

Optimistic as ever

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Kennyd163 new addington 15 Oct 15 2.29pm
I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it
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new addington 15 Oct 15 2.29pm

I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it

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Stuk Top half 15 Oct 15 3.23pm
Quote Kennyd163 at 15 Oct 2015 2.29pm I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it Has it improved your handicap much? Optimistic as ever
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Quote Kennyd163 at 15 Oct 2015 2.29pm

I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it

Has it improved your handicap much?

Optimistic as ever

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