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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 10.17am

Quote sprites at 23 May 2015 11.47pm
Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid.

Such as?


 


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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 10.28am

This is amazing.
Some guy (gay) has just said this is a big finger up at the church, what a Muppet. In the eyes of, I think all religions a union should only be made between a man and a woman. It's Adam and eve, not Gary and Steve.
So why, if some of you are saying marriage is not a religious thing, do you feel the need to try and change their beliefs. To try and force your opinions on them, walk into religious buildings with your middle finger held high, asking them to join you in marriage. That's wrong. (point, I am not religious, I think it causes more harm than good. But if you can't respect their views, why the fcuk should they respect yours.)
What's wrong with a civil ceremony. I'm sure that provides a couple with the same legal rights as a married couple, does it not?
As for children... You need only two things to make one, a man, and a woman. Any other way of "creating" people is just a bit wrong.
That's what were here for, that's what we do. We are attracted to the opposite sex, and we reproduce. If we don't do this the human race would / should cease to exist. (without the help of science etc)
That's all just my opinion, like it or not I'm entitled to it, same as anybody else.

What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing.
So then we have a man or woman who instead of being attracted to another man or woman, is instead attracted to a child. They too would probably argue that they cannot help feeling this way, they were born like this etc.
How long is it before enough paedophiles get together and start petitioning for their rights, times are changing etc, etc.
That's wrong.
Some things shouldn't be changed.
No matter what fricking year we are in.


 

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EaglesEaglesEagles Flag 24 May 15 10.37am Send a Private Message to EaglesEaglesEagles Add EaglesEaglesEagles as a friend

I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory:

Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful.
Is the fact that the group is so tiny a factor?

The same could be asked about polygamous marriage.

 


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Hoof Hearted 24 May 15 10.37am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.12am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 May 2015 9.53am

Big deal.......... move on.

Like the Scottish though, Gay people will now find something else to whinge about and cause a fuss.

Like having the same legal rights as right wing hysterical knicker wetters



Most people... and I include myself in that couldn't give a toss about what gay people get up to, nor would they be interested whether they want to or are able to get married legally in a church or otherwise.

The amount of bollocks you post about this and other topics indicates that you are the hysterical knicker wetter.

As I said though... this won't be the end of their "demands" FFS.

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.11am

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I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

I think individual perceptions of difference are perfectly fine, especially when, like yourself, you separate the personal from the idea of a truth for all. All people view things differently and that's fine.

Especially honourable, and respectable, is what you say in the first paragraph; which for me, is something to be respected - the idea that what we personally think and feel, shouldn't necessarily be treated as what is right for everyone.


It should be at the centre of western thought. The acceptance of difference as reality without value judgement.

Different strokes for different folks.

How we view the world is fine for ourselves and those with similar mindsets but for any society with pretension of cohension to work people must be free to be themselves.

This doesn't mean that everyone has to like it of course and that's also ok.

I don't like the traditions I was bought up with being changed but so what. What is more important is that acceptence that the principles of democracy produce societies that while they...... rarely please everybody....At least allow for everyone to live productive lives.

I felt, in terms of sexuality that was provided for with the law change to allow same sex unions but this obviously wasn't enough.

I'd prefer a more simple world with less shifting sands but there you go.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 10.53am

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 10.37am

I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory:

Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful.
Is the fact that the group is so tiny a factor?

The same could be asked about polygamous marriage.

Isn't incest a criminal offence?


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 10.57am

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am

This is amazing.
Some guy (gay) has just said this is a big finger up at the church, what a Muppet. In the eyes of, I think all religions a union should only be made between a man and a woman. It's Adam and eve, not Gary and Steve.
So why, if some of you are saying marriage is not a religious thing, do you feel the need to try and change their beliefs. To try and force your opinions on them, walk into religious buildings with your middle finger held high, asking them to join you in marriage. That's wrong. (point, I am not religious, I think it causes more harm than good. But if you can't respect their views, why the fcuk should they respect yours.)
What's wrong with a civil ceremony. I'm sure that provides a couple with the same legal rights as a married couple, does it not?
As for children... You need only two things to make one, a man, and a woman. Any other way of "creating" people is just a bit wrong.
That's what were here for, that's what we do. We are attracted to the opposite sex, and we reproduce. If we don't do this the human race would / should cease to exist. (without the help of science etc)
That's all just my opinion, like it or not I'm entitled to it, same as anybody else.

What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing.
So then we have a man or woman who instead of being attracted to another man or woman, is instead attracted to a child. They too would probably argue that they cannot help feeling this way, they were born like this etc.
How long is it before enough paedophiles get together and start petitioning for their rights, times are changing etc, etc.
That's wrong.
Some things shouldn't be changed.
No matter what fricking year we are in.


You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings.

As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages).

Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take.


 


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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 10.37am

I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory:

Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful.
Is the fact that the group is so tiny a factor?

The same could be asked about polygamous marriage.


The argument against incestous marriage is valid due to the increased chance of child deformities......Which along with the obvious capacity for abuse I suppose is the original reason there is a stigma attached to it.....Though it is certainly true that all humanity has undergone massive amounts of incest to get where we are.

However, it certainly is true on a logical level that if we are going to open up marriage to same sex couples that we open it up to all sexualities.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 11.00am)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 May 15 11.02am

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 10.52am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.11am

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

I think individual perceptions of difference are perfectly fine, especially when, like yourself, you separate the personal from the idea of a truth for all. All people view things differently and that's fine.

Especially honourable, and respectable, is what you say in the first paragraph; which for me, is something to be respected - the idea that what we personally think and feel, shouldn't necessarily be treated as what is right for everyone.


It should be at the centre of western thought. The acceptance of difference as reality without value judgement.

Different strokes for different folks.

How we view the world is fine for ourselves and those with similar mindsets but for any society with pretension of cohension to work people must be free to be themselves.

This doesn't mean that everyone has to like it of course and that's also ok.

I don't like the traditions I was bought up with being changed but so what. What is more important is that acceptence that the principles of democracy produce societies that while they...... rarely please everybody....At least allow for everyone to live productive lives.

I felt, in terms of sexuality that was provided for with the law change to allow same sex unions but this obviously wasn't enough.

I'd prefer a more simple world with less shifting sands but there you go.

There is a problem with civil union legislation providing the same rights in law as marriage - mostly around entitlements, pension rights and probate (I can't find the exact details).

It was easier to promote civil partnerships to marriage than to deal with each case individually as they arose.


 


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derben Flag 24 May 15 11.13am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.57am

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am

This is amazing.
Some guy (gay) has just said this is a big finger up at the church, what a Muppet. In the eyes of, I think all religions a union should only be made between a man and a woman. It's Adam and eve, not Gary and Steve.
So why, if some of you are saying marriage is not a religious thing, do you feel the need to try and change their beliefs. To try and force your opinions on them, walk into religious buildings with your middle finger held high, asking them to join you in marriage. That's wrong. (point, I am not religious, I think it causes more harm than good. But if you can't respect their views, why the fcuk should they respect yours.)
What's wrong with a civil ceremony. I'm sure that provides a couple with the same legal rights as a married couple, does it not?
As for children... You need only two things to make one, a man, and a woman. Any other way of "creating" people is just a bit wrong.
That's what were here for, that's what we do. We are attracted to the opposite sex, and we reproduce. If we don't do this the human race would / should cease to exist. (without the help of science etc)
That's all just my opinion, like it or not I'm entitled to it, same as anybody else.

What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing.
So then we have a man or woman who instead of being attracted to another man or woman, is instead attracted to a child. They too would probably argue that they cannot help feeling this way, they were born like this etc.
How long is it before enough paedophiles get together and start petitioning for their rights, times are changing etc, etc.
That's wrong.
Some things shouldn't be changed.
No matter what fricking year we are in.


You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings.

As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages).

Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take.


This will be the next 'right' that the likes of Gareth Lee will demand, I expect he will be at the bakery tomorrow ordering his cake. When does he want it? Now!!

 

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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 24 May 15 11.25am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.57am

Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am

This is amazing.
Some guy (gay) has just said this is a big finger up at the church, what a Muppet. In the eyes of, I think all religions a union should only be made between a man and a woman. It's Adam and eve, not Gary and Steve.
So why, if some of you are saying marriage is not a religious thing, do you feel the need to try and change their beliefs. To try and force your opinions on them, walk into religious buildings with your middle finger held high, asking them to join you in marriage. That's wrong. (point, I am not religious, I think it causes more harm than good. But if you can't respect their views, why the fcuk should they respect yours.)
What's wrong with a civil ceremony. I'm sure that provides a couple with the same legal rights as a married couple, does it not?
As for children... You need only two things to make one, a man, and a woman. Any other way of "creating" people is just a bit wrong.
That's what were here for, that's what we do. We are attracted to the opposite sex, and we reproduce. If we don't do this the human race would / should cease to exist. (without the help of science etc)
That's all just my opinion, like it or not I'm entitled to it, same as anybody else.

What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing.
So then we have a man or woman who instead of being attracted to another man or woman, is instead attracted to a child. They too would probably argue that they cannot help feeling this way, they were born like this etc.
How long is it before enough paedophiles get together and start petitioning for their rights, times are changing etc, etc.
That's wrong.
Some things shouldn't be changed.
No matter what fricking year we are in.


You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings.

As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages).

Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take.



Don't follow sorry. If it's not about religion but a legal issue, then what is wrong with a civil ceremony, as I am sure this entitles a couple to the same leagal rights, does it not?
From here it looks like there are more gays trying to force there view onto religion. People saying the church needs to wake up etc etc.

At the end of the day mate some things are wrong and some things are right. Just because it's 2015 and a lot of people agree, does not make this very wrong thing right.
Seriously if you think this is a good way to go then you need to give your heads a bloody good wobble.

 

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god will be angry

 

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