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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 May 15 10.17am | |
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Quote sprites at 23 May 2015 11.47pm
Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid. Such as?
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ZIGnZAG Stoke 24 May 15 10.28am | |
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This is amazing. What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing.
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EaglesEaglesEagles 24 May 15 10.37am | |
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I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory: Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful. The same could be asked about polygamous marriage.
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Hoof Hearted 24 May 15 10.37am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.12am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 May 2015 9.53am
Big deal.......... move on. Like the Scottish though, Gay people will now find something else to whinge about and cause a fuss.
Like having the same legal rights as right wing hysterical knicker wetters
The amount of bollocks you post about this and other topics indicates that you are the hysterical knicker wetter. As I said though... this won't be the end of their "demands" FFS.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 15 10.52am | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm
I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. I think individual perceptions of difference are perfectly fine, especially when, like yourself, you separate the personal from the idea of a truth for all. All people view things differently and that's fine. Especially honourable, and respectable, is what you say in the first paragraph; which for me, is something to be respected - the idea that what we personally think and feel, shouldn't necessarily be treated as what is right for everyone.
Different strokes for different folks. How we view the world is fine for ourselves and those with similar mindsets but for any society with pretension of cohension to work people must be free to be themselves. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like it of course and that's also ok. I don't like the traditions I was bought up with being changed but so what. What is more important is that acceptence that the principles of democracy produce societies that while they...... rarely please everybody....At least allow for everyone to live productive lives. I felt, in terms of sexuality that was provided for with the law change to allow same sex unions but this obviously wasn't enough. I'd prefer a more simple world with less shifting sands but there you go.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 May 15 10.53am | |
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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 10.37am
I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory: Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful. The same could be asked about polygamous marriage. Isn't incest a criminal offence?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 May 15 10.57am | |
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am
This is amazing. What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing. You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings. As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages). Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 15 10.59am | |
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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 24 May 2015 10.37am
I'm not asking for it and I don't want it. I'm just proposing a theory: Even though a group of incestuous people are in the a tiny minority compared to the gay people, should they not also be allowed to marry? I can't really find a logic against it with the current formation of marriage law although I personally find the idea dreadful. The same could be asked about polygamous marriage.
However, it certainly is true on a logical level that if we are going to open up marriage to same sex couples that we open it up to all sexualities. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 11.00am)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 May 15 11.02am | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 10.52am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.11am
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm
I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. I think individual perceptions of difference are perfectly fine, especially when, like yourself, you separate the personal from the idea of a truth for all. All people view things differently and that's fine. Especially honourable, and respectable, is what you say in the first paragraph; which for me, is something to be respected - the idea that what we personally think and feel, shouldn't necessarily be treated as what is right for everyone.
Different strokes for different folks. How we view the world is fine for ourselves and those with similar mindsets but for any society with pretension of cohension to work people must be free to be themselves. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like it of course and that's also ok. I don't like the traditions I was bought up with being changed but so what. What is more important is that acceptence that the principles of democracy produce societies that while they...... rarely please everybody....At least allow for everyone to live productive lives. I felt, in terms of sexuality that was provided for with the law change to allow same sex unions but this obviously wasn't enough. There is a problem with civil union legislation providing the same rights in law as marriage - mostly around entitlements, pension rights and probate (I can't find the exact details). It was easier to promote civil partnerships to marriage than to deal with each case individually as they arose.
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derben 24 May 15 11.13am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.57am
Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am
This is amazing. What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing. You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings. As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages). Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take. This will be the next 'right' that the likes of Gareth Lee will demand, I expect he will be at the bakery tomorrow ordering his cake. When does he want it? Now!!
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ZIGnZAG Stoke 24 May 15 11.25am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 10.57am
Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 10.28am
This is amazing. What I ask you is this...... A gay man or woman says that instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are attracted to the same sex. They cannot help this, and the world and religions should all except this, and even help them celebrate this. It is 2015 of course, times are changing. You do realise that this doesn't include marriages performed by religions, and that those religions are exempt from being 'forced under equal opportunities laws' to conduct gay weddings. As such, its not a religious, but legal issue of state. So in reality, by making it about 'god and religeon' people are forcing their religious views onto a matter that is purely secular (it has now impact on religious marriages). Good decent into hyperbole - Of course its exactly the same as pedophiles. Also, pedophiles did that in the 70s. Didn't take.
At the end of the day mate some things are wrong and some things are right. Just because it's 2015 and a lot of people agree, does not make this very wrong thing right.
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rcmeagle Bromley 24 May 15 11.47am | |
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god will be angry
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