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 Kingvagabond  London 27 May 15 12.33pm |
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I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. As a lot of teachers these days are left wing nut jobs, the kids might be better off if they went on strike more often. Yup, they are....But not all of them......I'm on the right about a few topics and I've been doing this job for about six years. Your politics shouldn't interfere with your teaching....If your students know who you vote for or prefer....It's not a good statement about how you do the job.
I'm yet to meet a teacher who shows their kids who they vote for or their views of any of the political parties. Teachers generally seem to recognise that children need to come to their own opinions about most of the world. Though I do give my opinion regularly about Palace v Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United and other teams that my kids support
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 15 12.35pm |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 12.33pm
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. As a lot of teachers these days are left wing nut jobs, the kids might be better off if they went on strike more often. Yup, they are....But not all of them......I'm on the right about a few topics and I've been doing this job for about six years. Your politics shouldn't interfere with your teaching....If your students know who you vote for or prefer....It's not a good statement about how you do the job.
I'm yet to meet a teacher who shows their kids who they vote for or their views of any of the political parties. Teachers generally seem to recognise that children need to come to their own opinions about most of the world. Though I do give my opinion regularly about Palace v Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United and other teams that my kids support Ditto to this.
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours. I called you an eejit for failing to recognise that the point of a strike is to inconvenience others not because you have a different opinion Danny. I agree with you that strikes should be wholly coupled with fullscale protest marches against the houses of parliament which is why everytime my union goes on strike I go to the protest marches as I want my voice heard by fatcat MPs. I also recognise that its parents most affected by marches. If the government wasn't targeting my pension, freezing pay conditions and increasing my working day (being that I'm only salaried 8.30 - 5.30 Monday - Friday and actually work closer to 7am-9pm everyday and at least 6 or 7 hours over the weekend) then I would have no reason to march. Sadly, you all decided to vote in the party who is attacking all public sector workers continuously thus expect more strikes. Oh and don't kid yourself either that we are marching purely out of self interest. 90% of the marches/strikes organised during the last 5 years were about non pay-related issues. LOL. And you are allowed to 'teach' children. I do hope they don't pay you too much attention. Not entirely certain why you feel that. I can only assume it's because you see me as a looney lefty but as I see you as a nutjob rightwing fascist cund I suspect we may be even Good work, have two Socialist Workers party house points and a TUSC badge of merit.
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 12.33pm
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| Kingvagabond London 27 May 15 12.55pm |
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I think it's all about professionalism. As you know but others may not all teachers are signed up to a professional code called the Teachers' Standards. Standard 1 subsection 2: Set goals that stretch and challenge pupils of all backgrounds, abilities and dispositions demands that the teacher can not provide a bias. Part 2:Personal and Professional Conduct: "Teachers uphold public trust in the profession high standards of ethics and behaviour, within and outside school by: ensuring that personal beliefs are not expressed in ways which exploit pupils' vulnerability or might lead them to break the law also demands that no bias is presented for children. Basically, the rules are right there. I might be a left wing looney liblab communist cund... but I can't allow that to be shown to the children as agreed in my contract with the government.
Part of Holmesdale Radio: The Next Generation Quote cornwalls palace at 24 Oct 2012 9.37am He was right!!!...and we killed him!!... poor Orpinton Eagles........ |
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I think it's all about professionalism. As you know but others may not all teachers are signed up to a professional code called the Teachers' Standards. I never bothered reading all that stuff, I knew instinctively. Half the problem with teaching is having to listen to managers (governmental lackey mouthpieces) waffling on in afterschool briefings about how to suck eggs.....Or more accurately how exactly they would wish you to teach. Just a load of old bollocks that you're required to nod along to. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2015 1.10pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 15 1.10pm |
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I think it's all about professionalism. As you know but others may not all teachers are signed up to a professional code called the Teachers' Standards. I never bothered reading all that stuff, I knew instinctly. Half the problem with teaching is having to listen to managers (governmental lackey mouthpieces) waffling on in afterschool briefings about how to suck eggs.....Or more accurately how exactly they would wish you to teach. Just a load of old bollocks that you're required to nod along to.
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Quote dannyh at 27 May 2015 11.14am
Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours.
The right to withdraw your labour is a fundamental part of a democracy. Not having the right to do that, or not being able to do that is literally slavery. Also soldiers do strike, it doesn't happen often, in fact it's quite rare but it has happened and when it has happened, conditions for our armed forces have changed for the better, to ensure that it does not happen again. When a soldier withdraws their "labour" it is a far more critical situation, than say a bus driver refusing to drive a bus, hence after a mutiny, historically, conditions do change for the better, after those concerned have been seen to be dealt with. Many people come to a point where they feel that they are being treated unfairly, to say, "hold on my lot is a lot more unfair than yours" is relative, especially when you actually enjoy what you do, or who you are. As a soldier, you signed up for something entirely different from being a teacher. I would not expect a teacher to risk life and limb, facing flying bullets and sandstorms but I would expect our armed forces to do their duty in terms of protecting the interests of the nation, even if that means being shot at. I doubt that anyone signs up because they think it is going to be a nice little job with great pay but don't at least some soldiers fight to give others the right to expect that they are free enough to live in a country where family, friends and other citizens, have the ability to choose how to live and dare I say the ability to chose not to work if they feel that they are not being treated fairly, by those that would seek to exploit them. Isn't that selfless quality the main reason that our armed forces are so well respected, at least by the general public in this country. I don't believe in all strikes, some strikes I think are a waste of time and do more harm than good, especially, as in this country, there are more freedoms than in many other countries, although I think we are far from free, so the right to strike is still relevant to me in this "modern age".
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 May 15 8.27am |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 11.50am
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours. I called you an eejit for failing to recognise that the point of a strike is to inconvenience others not because you have a different opinion Danny. I agree with you that strikes should be wholly coupled with fullscale protest marches against the houses of parliament which is why everytime my union goes on strike I go to the protest marches as I want my voice heard by fatcat MPs. I also recognise that its parents most affected by marches. If the government wasn't targeting my pension, freezing pay conditions and increasing my working day (being that I'm only salaried 8.30 - 5.30 Monday - Friday and actually work closer to 7am-9pm everyday and at least 6 or 7 hours over the weekend) then I would have no reason to march. Sadly, you all decided to vote in the party who is attacking all public sector workers continuously thus expect more strikes. Oh and don't kid yourself either that we are marching purely out of self interest. 90% of the marches/strikes organised during the last 5 years were about non pay-related issues.
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| Kingvagabond London 29 May 15 9.31pm |
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Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 8.27am
Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 11.50am
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours. I called you an eejit for failing to recognise that the point of a strike is to inconvenience others not because you have a different opinion Danny. I agree with you that strikes should be wholly coupled with fullscale protest marches against the houses of parliament which is why everytime my union goes on strike I go to the protest marches as I want my voice heard by fatcat MPs. I also recognise that its parents most affected by marches. If the government wasn't targeting my pension, freezing pay conditions and increasing my working day (being that I'm only salaried 8.30 - 5.30 Monday - Friday and actually work closer to 7am-9pm everyday and at least 6 or 7 hours over the weekend) then I would have no reason to march. Sadly, you all decided to vote in the party who is attacking all public sector workers continuously thus expect more strikes. Oh and don't kid yourself either that we are marching purely out of self interest. 90% of the marches/strikes organised during the last 5 years were about non pay-related issues.
Not really sure what you're trying to and failing to get at here Danny. I said that strikes were about deliberately inconveniencing people and recognised that in our strikes these people are unfortunately parents. The two statements don't contradict each other for a second.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 01 Jun 15 9.48am |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 29 May 2015 9.31pm
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours. I called you an eejit for failing to recognise that the point of a strike is to inconvenience others not because you have a different opinion Danny. I agree with you that strikes should be wholly coupled with fullscale protest marches against the houses of parliament which is why everytime my union goes on strike I go to the protest marches as I want my voice heard by fatcat MPs. I also recognise that its parents most affected by marches. If the government wasn't targeting my pension, freezing pay conditions and increasing my working day (being that I'm only salaried 8.30 - 5.30 Monday - Friday and actually work closer to 7am-9pm everyday and at least 6 or 7 hours over the weekend) then I would have no reason to march. Sadly, you all decided to vote in the party who is attacking all public sector workers continuously thus expect more strikes. Oh and don't kid yourself either that we are marching purely out of self interest. 90% of the marches/strikes organised during the last 5 years were about non pay-related issues.
Not really sure what you're trying to and failing to get at here Danny. I said that strikes were about deliberately inconveniencing people and recognised that in our strikes these people are unfortunately parents. The two statements don't contradict each other for a second.
Let me spell it out for you. You are inconveniencing the wrong people, the only possible way that a strike can hurt the government is if people get bullied into voting for someone else because of the constant strikes. If that isnt black mail I dont know what is. Give us what we want of we will bully the public into voting for someone else who will give us what we want. Thats not democracy thats more a like a dictatorship.
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Quote dannyh at 27 May 2015 8.32am
When was the last time you saw the Army on strike ? You might have however, seen them filling in for just about every other public service whinge bag that has gone on strike. But do we whinge about it ? No its what we signed up for, the only time I bring it up is normally when someone like say, ohh I don’t know, when someone who sits in a nice safe classroom out of the wind, rain, sandstorms, heat, cold and what’s the other slightly hazardous working condition ,,, oh yes,, bullets flying around at amazing speed and accuracy, starts bloody whinging about having to work a few long hours, and being mocked by a few spotty turds in a classroom. I am soldier, I now what I got myself into and I love it, the pluses easily out way the negatives. I just think sometimes people need to see life on the other side of the street to realise how lucky they are, I know teachers have to spend a lot of time learning and getting degrees and what not, but they knew the working conditions and what the job entailed (or should have, unless they are bloody stupid) so why moan about it and start f***ing other peoples days and finances about just because you reckon you are worth more than you signed up to.
Because no one should be working 60-70 hours a week, and being paid for 37. Most people I know who went into teaching didn't really know what they were getting themselves into, or that the conditions and work load put upon them would just increase to fulfill political ambitions. Working conditions for people only ever have improved when those people have stood up for themselves, and others. Having worked in Defense for the last four or five years, one thing I can say is that the working classes of the armed forces, especially the army, get a really bad deal from their employers. They really do need to organize and resist what has been a systematic abuse of the military for decades.
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