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Turd Alert Flag Woldingham 19 Mar 15 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Turd Alert Add Turd Alert as a friend

i think a question i wish to ask tonight will surround the budget, and if it has overlooked my generation (i am 21)

i.e - housing still unnafordable / too much demand - not enough supply

'Saving ISA' - cap at £3k only get if you put in 200pounds a month.. to get full ammount would have to save until april 2020 - not actually beneficial.

anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on this?

 


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Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 19 Mar 15 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Charlie Croker Add Charlie Croker as a friend

Quote Turd Alert at 19 Mar 2015 1.29pm

i think a question i wish to ask tonight will surround the budget, and if it has overlooked my generation (i am 21)

i.e - housing still unnafordable / too much demand - not enough supply

'Saving ISA' - cap at £3k only get if you put in 200pounds a month.. to get full ammount would have to save until april 2020 - not actually beneficial.

anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on this?

Maybe it's a generational thing, but it sounds (on the face of it, I haven't done too much research) like not a bad deal.

I would have thought it was actually very beneficial. Save £12K and we'll give you another £3K?

Okay, in house price terms that's a drop in the ocean, but also a 25% return over 4.5 years, better than you'd get if you were just saving with the bank/building society.

And it's doubled if you're a couple and both do this. F*ck - I wish that had been available when I was buying.

I will be encouraging my son (just starting work) to think seriously about this, in 5 years he and his girlfriend could have £30K, with £6K from David & George (sounds like a bad 60's pop duo).

The real issue in this though is affordability. With house price differences around the country - the same ISA will be of more benefit depending on where you want to live. A better q would be linked to the ISA, but with a "thanks for that, but what are you going to do to make cheaper housing stock available?"

 


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Quote Turd Alert at 19 Mar 2015 1.29pm

i think a question i wish to ask tonight will surround the budget, and if it has overlooked my generation (i am 21)

i.e - housing still unnafordable / too much demand - not enough supply

'Saving ISA' - cap at £3k only get if you put in 200pounds a month.. to get full ammount would have to save until april 2020 - not actually beneficial.

anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on this?

Dear Mr Turd Alert

I think I'd ask something along the lines of

"Does anyone REALLY think Labour are a creditable alternative to the present coalition?"

or far more seriously

"What can parties do to motivaye the apathetic to actually VOTE?"

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 19 Mar 15 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Quote Stuk at 18 Mar 2015 4.13pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Mar 2015 3.40pm

Quote Stuk at 18 Mar 2015 3.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Mar 2015 3.27pm

Interesting, the first time buyers ISA looks interesting (I don't own, and never have owned), at a 50 in for every 200 I can see that being

a) abused
b) a money laundering nightmare.
c) carrying more clauses than a fancy dress party at the north pole.

Have cigs gone up, I quit smoking in Jan I'll be livid if they haven't gone up this year.

There must be a cap or some people will have deposits worth more than the entire property!

Of course they have, by 2% above inflation.

Up to 3k apparently. Whilst you still can't knock that as a saving scheme, it does seem like a sticking plaster approach to the housing problem.

Blimey, that's rather generous.

Better do something about net migration or mortality rates then. Except we can't.


Oh I don't know, Blair had a good crack at that

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 19 Mar 15 2.16pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Quote Charlie Croker at 19 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Quote Turd Alert at 19 Mar 2015 1.29pm

i think a question i wish to ask tonight will surround the budget, and if it has overlooked my generation (i am 21)

i.e - housing still unnafordable / too much demand - not enough supply

'Saving ISA' - cap at £3k only get if you put in 200pounds a month.. to get full ammount would have to save until april 2020 - not actually beneficial.

anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on this?

Maybe it's a generational thing, but it sounds (on the face of it, I haven't done too much research) like not a bad deal.

I would have thought it was actually very beneficial. Save £12K and we'll give you another £3K?

Okay, in house price terms that's a drop in the ocean, but also a 25% return over 4.5 years, better than you'd get if you were just saving with the bank/building society.

And it's doubled if you're a couple and both do this. F*ck - I wish that had been available when I was buying.

I will be encouraging my son (just starting work) to think seriously about this, in 5 years he and his girlfriend could have £30K, with £6K from David & George (sounds like a bad 60's pop duo).

The real issue in this though is affordability. With house price differences around the country - the same ISA will be of more benefit depending on where you want to live. A better q would be linked to the ISA, but with a "thanks for that, but what are you going to do to make cheaper housing stock available?"

I don't think it is a generational thing - it *is* a very good deal. It just won't actually have a positive outcome for helping people onto the housing ladder. £3k (or £6k if a couple) won't be enough to make the difference in terms of deposit, and it doesn't address the fundamental issue which is (as you've indicated) the lack of supply.

For years and years we have been crying out for a radical solution. It doesn't have to be public sector building; private sector building is perfectly acceptable but to do so then you need to have a step change in the regulatory regime and some inducements to home builders.

Instead we get the government chucking £3k at FTB. It is a joke, as has been housing policy in successive governments since the 70s.

 


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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 19 Mar 15 2.18pm Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

Quote OknotOK at 19 Mar 2015 12.10pm

Had his deficit reduction plan from 2010 been in any way successful then he would have been able to make big giveaways now. The fact it has failed spectacularly means he can't and campaigns like the UKIP one attached are credible mockery of Tory claims in 2010.

Given Labour haven't announced their manifesto then I think it's unreasonable to expect their economic plan to be clear at this point. But there is a credibility gap for all the parties now. The cuts that are going to be required per the OBR in the next 2 years mean people have to be much more transparent - especially the Tories - over what is going to be cut and what is not.

And people shouldn't fail to acknowledge how lucky George Osborne has been - especially in the last year. Inflation falling away, driven by an absolute collapse now in the price of oil; and virtually zero inflation meaning that real wages are increasing for example.

Edited by OknotOK (19 Mar 2015 12.26pm)


In what way has it failed spectacularly? Are you suggesting that he should have cut the deficit slower, and therefore more than doubled the debt? Or did you want him to cut it faster? This line that UKIP and Labour are trotting out about the debt having doubled abandons even a basic understanding on spending and economics. Of course the debt has ballooned, borrowing is at record levels because we have a massive deficit. It's pretty simple.

Osborne has hardly been lucky either. His biggest trading partner (the EU) has a massive issue with demand, we need exports to prosper and he's got a world economy struggling with purchasing as a backdrop. It's hardly been all rosy. We're performing better than everyone else for having adopted his policies, if you judge purely on results you have to say he is delivering as Chancellor. Whether you like his ideologies and how he got there is another matter.

 


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Turd Alert Flag Woldingham 19 Mar 15 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Turd Alert Add Turd Alert as a friend

Quote Charlie Croker at 19 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Quote Turd Alert at 19 Mar 2015 1.29pm

i think a question i wish to ask tonight will surround the budget, and if it has overlooked my generation (i am 21)

i.e - housing still unnafordable / too much demand - not enough supply

'Saving ISA' - cap at £3k only get if you put in 200pounds a month.. to get full ammount would have to save until april 2020 - not actually beneficial.

anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on this?

Maybe it's a generational thing, but it sounds (on the face of it, I haven't done too much research) like not a bad deal.

I would have thought it was actually very beneficial. Save £12K and we'll give you another £3K?

Okay, in house price terms that's a drop in the ocean, but also a 25% return over 4.5 years, better than you'd get if you were just saving with the bank/building society.

And it's doubled if you're a couple and both do this. F*ck - I wish that had been available when I was buying.

I will be encouraging my son (just starting work) to think seriously about this, in 5 years he and his girlfriend could have £30K, with £6K from David & George (sounds like a bad 60's pop duo).

The real issue in this though is affordability. With house price differences around the country - the same ISA will be of more benefit depending on where you want to live. A better q would be linked to the ISA, but with a "thanks for that, but what are you going to do to make cheaper housing stock available?"

The only issue for me is the length. You will only gain that after 4 years of saving. If i saved with an idea to move out in 2 years then it is not quite as handy! Plus you are commiting to an isa for 4 years and rates may shoot up, you never know!

more over, i am on an apprenticeship and believe you me the salary is absolutely atrocious, how i am expected to save that much on top of paying rent and traveling to work (in london) with no disoc*** paying full price is absurd. Minimum wage is £2.73 yet i am expected to live like every other perosn on a salary almost treble mine!

Just infuriates me!

The idea is a good one, but i do not think it its quite as good as it sounds

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 19 Mar 15 2.48pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Quote We are goin up! at 19 Mar 2015 2.18pm

Quote OknotOK at 19 Mar 2015 12.10pm

Had his deficit reduction plan from 2010 been in any way successful then he would have been able to make big giveaways now. The fact it has failed spectacularly means he can't and campaigns like the UKIP one attached are credible mockery of Tory claims in 2010.

Given Labour haven't announced their manifesto then I think it's unreasonable to expect their economic plan to be clear at this point. But there is a credibility gap for all the parties now. The cuts that are going to be required per the OBR in the next 2 years mean people have to be much more transparent - especially the Tories - over what is going to be cut and what is not.

And people shouldn't fail to acknowledge how lucky George Osborne has been - especially in the last year. Inflation falling away, driven by an absolute collapse now in the price of oil; and virtually zero inflation meaning that real wages are increasing for example.

Edited by OknotOK (19 Mar 2015 12.26pm)


In what way has it failed spectacularly? Are you suggesting that he should have cut the deficit slower, and therefore more than doubled the debt? Or did you want him to cut it faster? This line that UKIP and Labour are trotting out about the debt having doubled abandons even a basic understanding on spending and economics. Of course the debt has ballooned, borrowing is at record levels because we have a massive deficit. It's pretty simple.

Osborne has hardly been lucky either. His biggest trading partner (the EU) has a massive issue with demand, we need exports to prosper and he's got a world economy struggling with purchasing as a backdrop. It's hardly been all rosy. We're performing better than everyone else for having adopted his policies, if you judge purely on results you have to say he is delivering as Chancellor. Whether you like his ideologies and how he got there is another matter.

He failed spectacularly because he failed spectacularly to meet his own targets. Indeed in 2010 he was slating the Darling/Brown plans for putting us at risk financially due to massive over borrowing. He has ended up borrowing significantly more in the same period. So by his own targets he has failed spectacularly.

And saying that debt has doubled abandons no such thing. In 5 years he borrowed more that Labour did in 13. That is factual. So again by his own standards and targets he failed spectacularly.

And the deficit - which he had said would now be £37bn is actually about 2.5 times that (£91bn). So again he has failed spectacularly on his own targets.

As I said, whether you think that is due to external factors, his policies, or previous administration policies will help decide how you vote.

In terms of delivering as a chancellor, the only measure he can be seen to have been a success is on jobs. He has overseen the slowest recovery in UK history (with the exception I think of the one after the Black Death) and has failed to rebalance the economy, significantly reduce the trade deficit (other than through external factors), or improve productivity.

In terms of who is performing best, the UK currently has the best performing economy in the G7, but over the period lags miles behind the US, Canada, and Germany. I think we're still behind France but would have to check.

I accept that he has had challenges in the entire period, but the last year he has been very fortunate. And probably at just the right time for election purposes.

 


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Considering the leader of the green's doesn't even know her own manifesto or the numbers behind it, I find this somewhat amusing they would thrown stones whilst sat in their shiney glass house.

 


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Quote OknotOK at 19 Mar 2015 2.48pm

In terms of delivering as a chancellor, the only measure he can be seen to have been a success is on jobs.

Total and utter bilge, the likes of which we heard from Miliband after the Budget.

I could trot out a load of statistics which would bore all and sundry on here so I shall refrain from doing so.

All I will say is that it has been a terrific success story but of course there is more to be done.
Over to you chaps ! I will only raise all your hackles if I get on my political "Soapbox" so I shall stick to the football and not get embroiled in the political debate!!!!


 

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Quote OknotOK at 19 Mar 2015 2.48pm

In terms of delivering as a chancellor, the only measure he can be seen to have been a success is on jobs.

Total and utter bilge, the likes of which we heard from Miliband after the Budget.

I could trot out a load of statistics which would bore all and sundry on here so I shall refrain from doing so.

All I will say is that it has been a terrific success story but of course there is more to be done.
Over to you chaps ! I will only raise all your hackles if I get on my political "Soapbox" so I shall stick to the football and not get embroiled in the political debate!!!!


Ummmm except you just did "get embroiled in a political debate".

And you're still wrong. I'm not judging George Osborne on anything other than his own targets and his own guidance. And the only measure he can point to as a success on that basis is job creation. Everything else he has massively missed his own targets/expectations.

Like I said, you don't have to think he is culpable for that. Feel free to think he has done a splendid job based upon horrific conditions and the Eurozone collapsing around him. But by his own criteria - set out when he had been in office for several months - he has failed to live up to expectations.

And for the record I won't be voting (and haven't ever voted) for Labour at a general election.

 


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