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legaleagle  14 Mar 15 11.26am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Mar 2015 10.40am
You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe. When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system. Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt). It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence.....
1.The copper was/is in the British colony of Northern Rhodesia now known as Zambia,as opposed to the British territory of Southern Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe,so at least try to have a basic grasp of facts if you are going to advance an argument tending towards a proposition of inherent racial inferiority. 2.Take a look at places like Moldova,Uzbekistan. Note the health of the economies,their corruption etc,the extent to which their rulers f-up. and then take a look at the colour of the skin of the people that rule in those states.Poverty,corruption and repression do not stem from skin colour/race.The logic of your proposition is that we shouldn't vote for black politicians here due to inherent racial lesser ability to "govern" than those of a superior at governing white race.We are indeed headed back to the dark ages (no pun intended). Edited by legaleagle (14 Mar 2015 4.45pm)
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 Johnny Eagles  berlin 14 Mar 15 11.29am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Mar 2015 10.40am
You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe. When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system. Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt). It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence..... So... Africa's problems are probably because people are corrupt, greedy and incompetent rather than because they are black? The West is in it up to its neck in terms of Africa's corruption. Whose money do you think dodgy Nigerians keep sticking in Swiss bank accounts?
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| imbored UK 14 Mar 15 11.35am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Mar 2015 10.40am
You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe. When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system. Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt). It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence..... There's no defending what was said, come on. Progress takes time. If you're seriously saying that corruption, greed, incompetence are caused by the pigment of peoples skin then that's unfortunate. Think how much flack someone would get on here if they blamed the banking crisis on 'white people'. It's madness.
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 14 Mar 15 11.36am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 8.47pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Mar 2015 7.59pm
F*ck off red nose day. F*ck off tedious celebrity c*nts demanding public praise for grabbing the limelight and cynically exploiting people less well off than them. F*ck off broadcasters bullying people into giving to charities of their choosing. F*ck off zany "charideee mate" cheerleaders dragooning people into having "fun" and making them feel bad if they don't. Red Nose Day is the OPPOSITE of what charity is supposed to be about you C*NTS!!!
Mmmm....I think the veil slipped a little here Herr Eagles. Please elaborate what you mean by this. For the record, I would like to categorically state I have no issue with where Comic Relief sends the money and do not agree with the "we need to sort our own out first" argument made by others on this thread. I dislike Comic Relief because: 1. I think charity should be a private matter, not a big public jamboree with celebrities (whose charitable motivations happily coincide with appearances on the broadcast media) 2. I think it's a Christian or civic duty and a matter of conscience, not something you dragoon people into doing by bullying them into having "fun"
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| Pikester Worthing 14 Mar 15 11.44am |
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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm
if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always f*ck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc. I don't know why but I can't stop laughing. Maybe you could get some T Shirts made up.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 12.31pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Mar 2015 11.36am
Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 8.47pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Mar 2015 7.59pm
F*ck off red nose day. F*ck off tedious celebrity c*nts demanding public praise for grabbing the limelight and cynically exploiting people less well off than them. F*ck off broadcasters bullying people into giving to charities of their choosing. F*ck off zany "charideee mate" cheerleaders dragooning people into having "fun" and making them feel bad if they don't. Red Nose Day is the OPPOSITE of what charity is supposed to be about you C*NTS!!!
Mmmm....I think the veil slipped a little here Herr Eagles. Please elaborate what you mean by this. For the record, I would like to categorically state I have no issue with where Comic Relief sends the money and do not agree with the "we need to sort our own out first" argument made by others on this thread. I dislike Comic Relief because: 1. I think charity should be a private matter, not a big public jamboree with celebrities (whose charitable motivations happily coincide with appearances on the broadcast media) 2. I think it's a Christian or civic duty and a matter of conscience, not something you dragoon people into doing by bullying them into having "fun"
Sure it's the duty of any reasonable person who has the means to give to charities they feel an affinity with. These people would do this anyway. But does everyone? Nope, there are a lot of very selfish people out there with very little conscience. I say good on these collective appeals that use celebrity to secure funding for situations of need. Your personal discomfort means nothing really in the scheme of things. This is just one of many minor irritations an adult puts up with. We have been gifted opportunities in life by the dice of chance and I personally think that being reminded of this once in a while is fine....None of us is any more worthy of life than a child starving in a hellhole.....Yours are the moanings of the relatively secure. Who cares if some celebrates ride on the back of the events......All that matters is the practical result. As for the veil comment. It's suggests that you are revealing that you feel socially resentful in socially 'positive' events......In other words, you're basically saying you're a curmudgeon. Some people try to put a little bit of light into the world for a good cause...Celebrities or not, motive or not......So what?...Good on em. Maybe a child somewhere will live longer for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2015 12.45pm)
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 12.38pm |
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Quote Pikester at 14 Mar 2015 11.44am
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm
if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always f*ck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc. I don't know why but I can't stop laughing. Maybe you could get some T Shirts made up. What a disgraceful thing to say.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 12.42pm |
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Quote MileFan at 14 Mar 2015 11.11am
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 11.09am
The reasons Africa is relatively downtrodden are far more complicated than something as simple as skin pigment. The reality is that Africa is progressing....Investment is happening, progress is being made compared to before. But that trade agreements keep the more forward looking countries restricted compared to us. Secondly, in my view, the problems with corruption and institutions are tribal and hence cultural.
Are we saying that mixed race people aren't black? What are they then? Coffee? At exactly what colour tone can someone run a country properly then? It's a tad amusing. As for the Senate, it couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. White or whatever. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2015 12.44pm)
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| MileFan 14 Mar 15 1.06pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 12.42pm
Quote MileFan at 14 Mar 2015 11.11am
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 11.09am
The reasons Africa is relatively downtrodden are far more complicated than something as simple as skin pigment. The reality is that Africa is progressing....Investment is happening, progress is being made compared to before. But that trade agreements keep the more forward looking countries restricted compared to us. Secondly, in my view, the problems with corruption and institutions are tribal and hence cultural.
I think you should read up about American politics anyway, in reality Obama has very little power. Obama looks pretty black to me mate. You are the one talking skin colour.....I never knew we were making a distinction between black people and lighter tones. Are we saying that mixed race people aren't black? What are they then? Coffee? At exactly what colour tone can someone run a country properly then? It's a tad amusing. As for the Senate, it couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. White or whatever. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2015 12.44pm)
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 14 Mar 15 1.27pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 12.31pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Mar 2015 11.36am
Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 8.47pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Mar 2015 7.59pm
F*ck off red nose day. F*ck off tedious celebrity c*nts demanding public praise for grabbing the limelight and cynically exploiting people less well off than them. F*ck off broadcasters bullying people into giving to charities of their choosing. F*ck off zany "charideee mate" cheerleaders dragooning people into having "fun" and making them feel bad if they don't. Red Nose Day is the OPPOSITE of what charity is supposed to be about you C*NTS!!!
Mmmm....I think the veil slipped a little here Herr Eagles. Please elaborate what you mean by this. For the record, I would like to categorically state I have no issue with where Comic Relief sends the money and do not agree with the "we need to sort our own out first" argument made by others on this thread. I dislike Comic Relief because: 1. I think charity should be a private matter, not a big public jamboree with celebrities (whose charitable motivations happily coincide with appearances on the broadcast media) 2. I think it's a Christian or civic duty and a matter of conscience, not something you dragoon people into doing by bullying them into having "fun"
Sure it's the duty of any reasonable person who has the means to give to charities they feel an affinity with. These people would do this anyway. But does everyone? Nope, there are a lot of very selfish people out there with very little conscience. I say good on these collective appeals that use celebrity to secure funding for situations of need. Your personal discomfort means nothing really in the scheme of things. This is just one of many minor irritations an adult puts up with. We have been gifted opportunities in life by the dice of chance and I personally think that being reminded of this once in a while is fine....None of us is any more worthy of life than a child starving in a hellhole.....Yours are the moanings of the relatively secure. Who cares if some celebrates ride on the back of the events......All that matters is the practical result. As for the veil comment. It's suggests that you are revealing that you feel socially resentful in socially 'positive' events......In other words, you're basically saying you're a curmudgeon. Some people try to put a little bit of light into the world for a good cause...Celebrities or not, motive or not......So what?...Good on em. Maybe a child somewhere will live longer for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2015 12.45pm) "All that matters is the practical result." Are you sure you mean that? So, by your logic, if we sent round gangs of celebrities with baseball bats to demand money from people less well off than them, that would be ok? I'm sure you'd generate big sums for "charity" so it must be. I'm exaggerating to make a point: where does your "jollying people along" cross the line into "bullying people"? You can stick a red nose on a comedian and call it "jollying", but it comes down to the same thing, in my book. It's a form of coercion. I also question the idea that watching some celebrity make a fool of himself and then being guilt-tripped into making a credit card donation from my sofa is true "charity". I agree with William Blake: "He who would do good to another, must do it in Minute Particulars. and with St. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians: "charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up" That is, I think people should DO things for one another, especially those less fortunate for them, in the form of everyday kindness. They should not make a fuss about it. Rather than making a credit card donation once a year because someone from Strictly has guilt tripped them into it. I suspect if everyone was persuaded of the former, rather than the latter then the "practical result" which you find so important, would also be better in the long run. As for your ad hominem point about me being a "curmudgeon" (I expect you to do better than that, Stirling) it struck me rather as the kind of thing all the people going to a nazi rally might have said about those that didn't want to join in. It's a nasty form of groupthink coercion. "Join in or we'll call you names!"
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| imbored UK 14 Mar 15 1.42pm |
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I don't see Red Nose Day as being perfect and there is a lot of celeb back patting. Still, I find the idea that without it we would be more inclined to ascend to some kind of greater level of charity with more authenticity to it, a bit fanciful. If something helps, it counts for those benefiting, even if the delivery system for that help is imperfect. Edited by imbored (14 Mar 2015 2.25pm)
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 2.08pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Mar 2015 1.27pm
"All that matters is the practical result." Are you sure you mean that? So, by your logic, if we sent round gangs of celebrities with baseball bats to demand money from people less well off than them, that would be ok? I'm sure you'd generate big sums for "charity" so it must be. I'm exaggerating to make a point: where does your "jollying people along" cross the line into "bullying people"? You can stick a red nose on a comedian and call it "jollying", but it comes down to the same thing, in my book. It's a form of coercion. I also question the idea that watching some celebrity make a fool of himself and then being guilt-tripped into making a credit card donation from my sofa is true "charity". I agree with William Blake: "He who would do good to another, must do it in Minute Particulars. and with St. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians: "charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up" That is, I think people should DO things for one another, especially those less fortunate for them, in the form of everyday kindness. They should not make a fuss about it. Rather than making a credit card donation once a year because someone from Strictly has guilt tripped them into it. I suspect if everyone was persuaded of the former, rather than the latter then the "practical result" which you find so important, would also be better in the long run. As for your ad hominem point about me being a "curmudgeon" (I expect you to do better than that, Stirling) it struck me rather as the kind of thing all the people going to a nazi rally might have said about those that didn't want to join in. It's a nasty form of groupthink coercion. "Join in or we'll call you names!"
The 'jollying along' is as far as it goes.....No one is compelled to do spit and no one I've ever met via a charity would ever agree with anything else...Charity runs on its helper's goodwill by definition.....You are bending things a bit to suggest that this is bullying.....A bit like those that say a tap on the shoulder is assault. You using old quotes from people like Blake, who isn't talking about charity shows....is a bit off....Shall we include 'taxation' for the NHS or education as the 'general good'. Na...I don't think you can use that quote to fairly make your point.
As I say, the practical result of your view point would be that those in need would have less....More death more suffering. Nope....It doesn't look like we are going to agree here. Like I say your moaning is the belly aching of the priviliaged.
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