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Question Dan, there's more than enough food in the world for everyone to get fed and no-one die of hunger. The reason they do is the selfishness of man. Why is that God's fault? No it is not. lets just suppose God is reall for minute, famine and drought have to be his (Gods) fault and if we are all made in his image and children are innocent why would he allow children to die of famine because of a lack of something as easy to conjure up as rain (considering he made the whole shabang in 7 days a little bit of rain shouldnt be too tricky.) Why does God in his all seeing all knowing capacity of Number 1 top dog, allow people to become so depressed they kill themselves, or peado's to rape and murder, etc etc. It's all well and good saying its the evil/selfishness of man but to me that is just deflective bulls*** from the real reason he does nothing, which is more than likley A) he doesn't give a fcuk (think on that one next time you watch a 1 month old baby die from ebola) or B) he doesnt exist. I would like to think it's the latter and no God could be that much of a unfeeling pri1ck. I'm not digging you out not at all, far from it. BUT you have to admit taking the above into account he certainly does move in mysterious f***ing ways alright.
Indeed, we regard it immoral to do nothing to prevent these crimes ourselves, when we lack real individual agency to affect them, so why does an omniscient and omnipotent god get a pass? Surely power entails a responsibility to use it?
If the prevailing attitudes on this board are anything to go by, then the man in the street is very much in the 'Im ok Jack' camp. At the very least most are in the, 'ahhh its a shame, but its not my fault' camp. If God created the world and all in it for man, then man and man alone has the responsibility for it IMO. Whether you believe in God or not, I find it remarkable that problems that are clearly with the ability of man to fix, are held up against God, which in itself is an enormous paradox, because how can you blame something you don't think exists? Importantly central is the problem that the responsibility of man, is not the same as the capacity of a single man, who's agency to 'deal with a problem' is entirely limited by his individual capacity to affect it. Where as god, a singular entity, has infinite capacity, by definition of omnipotence as well as an established capacity to perform miracles, both on an individual and national level. After all, if he can make someone fertile why can't god intervene to prevent someone from starving?
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In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. Human Knowledge was limited ? can you explain the pyramids for me again then. And if God if so wise why are thousands of children dying of hunger and starvation as we speak, doesn't seem very wise to me. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. It's interesting that you say whether it happened or not is irrelevant, so as a christian (clearly) you are saying the story of creation as written in the king James bible is irrelavant. It's only irrelavant because even you in your Jesus is great slanted look at life know that it is simply bollocks. The Earth has stood for billions of years it wasn't made in 7 days by the big sky fairy, and Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth, Try reading a factual book on Darwinism.
It is not isightful wisdom it is fact. Pure cold scientific FACT. My Cynicism is far from unique, before you have me burnt at the stake (another enligtened Christian pass time) why dont you google Atheist at see how many there are out there. Christians do not care in the slightest what your position is because you do not have the faculties to present tricky problematic doctrinal and theological problems for Christianity but point out logical flaws that a moron (you maybe?) could recognise. I could go to great length in theoligical debate with you as I was brought up a catholic and went to a catholic school, but people like you dont listen to reasoned debate, your like the women out of the film paul, who when confronted with an Alien, sank to her knees and receited Amazing grace! I would also argue that if I a "moron" can point out such open and easily discreditable bible tosh then what does it say about those that belive it (you?)
Oh so because you believe in some omni present Sky Fairy that makes you brighter than me, Listen mate I don't care what you believe but you have no more proof to your belief system than I could provide to show aliens exist. Different people believe differen things, I chose not to belive in wholsale religion because then I don't have to aleinate other just becuase they believe in a different type of fairy at the bottom of the garden than I do. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something. About the NSS We work in the UK and Europe to challenge the disproportionate influence of religion on governments and in public life. We provide a secular voice in the media, defending freedom and equality as a counterbalance to the powerful religious lobby and some of the more destructive religious impulses that can threaten human rights worldwide. You know I just might.
Yo, Danny old buddy old pal. I just realised who exactly you are and that we had a similar argument five years ago and that you sent me these private messages off the forum:
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You are dismissive to the point of abusive on points of view which contradict yours. To you they are dangerous and should be derided and destroyed if possible.
I might bury a copy of Lord of the Rings in a cave somewhere, who knows it might be found hundreds if not thousands of years from now and start a new religion based on Frodo being the new messiah. I love the fact you call me rude and unintelligent, your not showing yourself as much better are you ? The fact is this you believe in an omnipresent infallible God. My point is that there is way to much suffering across the globe for your beliefs to hold water. And your attitude to people like myself is similar to that of anyone who has stood up to the church over the years. But time moves on, (unlike you) and fortunately for me you can't burn "heretics" at the stake anymore.
Edited by dannyh (18 Mar 2015 11.41am) 1) I brought up those messages because they are the only things that have ever been sent to my inbox. So I remember them and in sending them to me you were a massive prick. I don't know why you sent me the messages, you could have just replied on the forum. Why did you? 2) Maybe I am unintelligent but I do not consider myself rude and funnily enough, I'm not so close minded to believe that everyone who believes in a religion has no valid argument in any way. I believe that atheists, agnostic and religious people (of all faiths) can be intelligent. You have presented yourself as dismissive of anything that isn't scientific atheism. I'd rather be a moron than abusive and horrible, which is what you have showed yourself to be. 3) I have had civilised and thorough debates with people who seem far more accepting and intelligent than you and are totally against my opinion both on this forum and in real life. 4) Not everything can be immediately verified by science or history. I draw your attention to the 'miracle' of the sun in 1917, witnessed by at least 30,000 people, many of whom were atheists and journalists. Things like this are part of my basis for faith, not simply a book. 5) You talk about Christians burning heretics. You're right that was dreadful but check out this (probably inaccurate) graphic. [Link]
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In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. Human Knowledge was limited ? can you explain the pyramids for me again then. And if God if so wise why are thousands of children dying of hunger and starvation as we speak, doesn't seem very wise to me. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. It's interesting that you say whether it happened or not is irrelevant, so as a christian (clearly) you are saying the story of creation as written in the king James bible is irrelavant. It's only irrelavant because even you in your Jesus is great slanted look at life know that it is simply bollocks. The Earth has stood for billions of years it wasn't made in 7 days by the big sky fairy, and Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth, Try reading a factual book on Darwinism.
It is not isightful wisdom it is fact. Pure cold scientific FACT. My Cynicism is far from unique, before you have me burnt at the stake (another enligtened Christian pass time) why dont you google Atheist at see how many there are out there. Christians do not care in the slightest what your position is because you do not have the faculties to present tricky problematic doctrinal and theological problems for Christianity but point out logical flaws that a moron (you maybe?) could recognise. I could go to great length in theoligical debate with you as I was brought up a catholic and went to a catholic school, but people like you dont listen to reasoned debate, your like the women out of the film paul, who when confronted with an Alien, sank to her knees and receited Amazing grace! I would also argue that if I a "moron" can point out such open and easily discreditable bible tosh then what does it say about those that belive it (you?)
Oh so because you believe in some omni present Sky Fairy that makes you brighter than me, Listen mate I don't care what you believe but you have no more proof to your belief system than I could provide to show aliens exist. Different people believe differen things, I chose not to belive in wholsale religion because then I don't have to aleinate other just becuase they believe in a different type of fairy at the bottom of the garden than I do. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something. About the NSS We work in the UK and Europe to challenge the disproportionate influence of religion on governments and in public life. We provide a secular voice in the media, defending freedom and equality as a counterbalance to the powerful religious lobby and some of the more destructive religious impulses that can threaten human rights worldwide. You know I just might.
Yo, Danny old buddy old pal. I just realised who exactly you are and that we had a similar argument five years ago and that you sent me these private messages off the forum:
------------ EaglesEaglesEagles ------------ dannyh
You are dismissive to the point of abusive on points of view which contradict yours. To you they are dangerous and should be derided and destroyed if possible.
I might bury a copy of Lord of the Rings in a cave somewhere, who knows it might be found hundreds if not thousands of years from now and start a new religion based on Frodo being the new messiah. I love the fact you call me rude and unintelligent, your not showing yourself as much better are you ? The fact is this you believe in an omnipresent infallible God. My point is that there is way to much suffering across the globe for your beliefs to hold water. And your attitude to people like myself is similar to that of anyone who has stood up to the church over the years. But time moves on, (unlike you) and fortunately for me you can't burn "heretics" at the stake anymore.
Edited by dannyh (18 Mar 2015 11.41am) 1) I brought up those messages because they are the only things that have ever been sent to my inbox. So I remember them and in sending them to me you were a massive prick. I don't know why you sent me the messages, you could have just replied on the forum. Why did you? 2) Maybe I am unintelligent but I do not consider myself rude and funnily enough, I'm not so close minded to believe that everyone who believes in a religion has no valid argument in any way. I believe that atheists, agnostic and religious people (of all faiths) can be intelligent. You have presented yourself as dismissive of anything that isn't scientific atheism. I'd rather be a moron than abusive and horrible, which is what you have showed yourself to be. 3) I have had civilised and thorough debates with people who seem far more accepting and intelligent than you and are totally against my opinion both on this forum and in real life. 4) Not everything can be immediately verified by science or history. I draw your attention to the 'miracle' of the sun in 1917, witnessed by at least 30,000 people, many of whom were atheists and journalists. Things like this are part of my basis for faith, not simply a book. 5) You talk about Christians burning heretics. You're right that was dreadful but check out this (probably inaccurate) graphic. [Link]
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In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. Human Knowledge was limited ? can you explain the pyramids for me again then. And if God if so wise why are thousands of children dying of hunger and starvation as we speak, doesn't seem very wise to me. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. It's interesting that you say whether it happened or not is irrelevant, so as a christian (clearly) you are saying the story of creation as written in the king James bible is irrelavant. It's only irrelavant because even you in your Jesus is great slanted look at life know that it is simply bollocks. The Earth has stood for billions of years it wasn't made in 7 days by the big sky fairy, and Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth, Try reading a factual book on Darwinism.
It is not isightful wisdom it is fact. Pure cold scientific FACT. My Cynicism is far from unique, before you have me burnt at the stake (another enligtened Christian pass time) why dont you google Atheist at see how many there are out there. Christians do not care in the slightest what your position is because you do not have the faculties to present tricky problematic doctrinal and theological problems for Christianity but point out logical flaws that a moron (you maybe?) could recognise. I could go to great length in theoligical debate with you as I was brought up a catholic and went to a catholic school, but people like you dont listen to reasoned debate, your like the women out of the film paul, who when confronted with an Alien, sank to her knees and receited Amazing grace! I would also argue that if I a "moron" can point out such open and easily discreditable bible tosh then what does it say about those that belive it (you?)
Oh so because you believe in some omni present Sky Fairy that makes you brighter than me, Listen mate I don't care what you believe but you have no more proof to your belief system than I could provide to show aliens exist. Different people believe differen things, I chose not to belive in wholsale religion because then I don't have to aleinate other just becuase they believe in a different type of fairy at the bottom of the garden than I do. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something. About the NSS We work in the UK and Europe to challenge the disproportionate influence of religion on governments and in public life. We provide a secular voice in the media, defending freedom and equality as a counterbalance to the powerful religious lobby and some of the more destructive religious impulses that can threaten human rights worldwide. You know I just might.
Yo, Danny old buddy old pal. I just realised who exactly you are and that we had a similar argument five years ago and that you sent me these private messages off the forum:
------------ EaglesEaglesEagles ------------ dannyh
You are dismissive to the point of abusive on points of view which contradict yours. To you they are dangerous and should be derided and destroyed if possible.
I might bury a copy of Lord of the Rings in a cave somewhere, who knows it might be found hundreds if not thousands of years from now and start a new religion based on Frodo being the new messiah. I love the fact you call me rude and unintelligent, your not showing yourself as much better are you ? The fact is this you believe in an omnipresent infallible God. My point is that there is way to much suffering across the globe for your beliefs to hold water. And your attitude to people like myself is similar to that of anyone who has stood up to the church over the years. But time moves on, (unlike you) and fortunately for me you can't burn "heretics" at the stake anymore.
Edited by dannyh (18 Mar 2015 11.41am) 1) I brought up those messages because they are the only things that have ever been sent to my inbox. So I remember them and in sending them to me you were a massive prick. I don't know why you sent me the messages, you could have just replied on the forum. Why did you? 2) Maybe I am unintelligent but I do not consider myself rude and funnily enough, I'm not so close minded to believe that everyone who believes in a religion has no valid argument in any way. I believe that atheists, agnostic and religious people (of all faiths) can be intelligent. You have presented yourself as dismissive of anything that isn't scientific atheism. I'd rather be a moron than abusive and horrible, which is what you have showed yourself to be. 3) I have had civilised and thorough debates with people who seem far more accepting and intelligent than you and are totally against my opinion both on this forum and in real life. 4) Not everything can be immediately verified by science or history. I draw your attention to the 'miracle' of the sun in 1917, witnessed by at least 30,000 people, many of whom were atheists and journalists. Things like this are part of my basis for faith, not simply a book. 5) You talk about Christians burning heretics. You're right that was dreadful but check out this (probably inaccurate) graphic. [Link]
I've described you as a massive prick because you took it upon yourself to unfairly undermine mine and others' arguments through abusive responses to what should be a civilised debate. There is no room for a civilised debate with you because you are not willing to consider other arguments in a respectful way. For that reason I am open and happy to call you a massive prick because of this attitude. Nonetheless, my approach in response to your comments on my beliefs has been respectful and calculated to the best of my abilities. Nonetheless I think it fair that I can express my personal thoughts on your character even if I treat your arguments in my responses with the same respect I would anyone else. You're the one who decided to send abusive messages to my inbox. That was a private conversation completely unrelated to the context of debate. It is on these grounds and these grounds only that I called you a massive prick not because of your opinions on religion. And you are a massive prick. Good day sir.
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Thanks for your contributions EaglesEaglesEagles and dannyh. Perhaps leave it there between you before things get too unpleasant? Cheers.
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In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. Human Knowledge was limited ? can you explain the pyramids for me again then. And if God if so wise why are thousands of children dying of hunger and starvation as we speak, doesn't seem very wise to me. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. It's interesting that you say whether it happened or not is irrelevant, so as a christian (clearly) you are saying the story of creation as written in the king James bible is irrelavant. It's only irrelavant because even you in your Jesus is great slanted look at life know that it is simply bollocks. The Earth has stood for billions of years it wasn't made in 7 days by the big sky fairy, and Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth, Try reading a factual book on Darwinism.
It is not isightful wisdom it is fact. Pure cold scientific FACT. My Cynicism is far from unique, before you have me burnt at the stake (another enligtened Christian pass time) why dont you google Atheist at see how many there are out there. Christians do not care in the slightest what your position is because you do not have the faculties to present tricky problematic doctrinal and theological problems for Christianity but point out logical flaws that a moron (you maybe?) could recognise. I could go to great length in theoligical debate with you as I was brought up a catholic and went to a catholic school, but people like you dont listen to reasoned debate, your like the women out of the film paul, who when confronted with an Alien, sank to her knees and receited Amazing grace! I would also argue that if I a "moron" can point out such open and easily discreditable bible tosh then what does it say about those that belive it (you?)
Oh so because you believe in some omni present Sky Fairy that makes you brighter than me, Listen mate I don't care what you believe but you have no more proof to your belief system than I could provide to show aliens exist. Different people believe differen things, I chose not to belive in wholsale religion because then I don't have to aleinate other just becuase they believe in a different type of fairy at the bottom of the garden than I do. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something. About the NSS We work in the UK and Europe to challenge the disproportionate influence of religion on governments and in public life. We provide a secular voice in the media, defending freedom and equality as a counterbalance to the powerful religious lobby and some of the more destructive religious impulses that can threaten human rights worldwide. You know I just might.
Yo, Danny old buddy old pal. I just realised who exactly you are and that we had a similar argument five years ago and that you sent me these private messages off the forum:
------------ EaglesEaglesEagles ------------ dannyh
You are dismissive to the point of abusive on points of view which contradict yours. To you they are dangerous and should be derided and destroyed if possible.
I might bury a copy of Lord of the Rings in a cave somewhere, who knows it might be found hundreds if not thousands of years from now and start a new religion based on Frodo being the new messiah. I love the fact you call me rude and unintelligent, your not showing yourself as much better are you ? The fact is this you believe in an omnipresent infallible God. My point is that there is way to much suffering across the globe for your beliefs to hold water. And your attitude to people like myself is similar to that of anyone who has stood up to the church over the years. But time moves on, (unlike you) and fortunately for me you can't burn "heretics" at the stake anymore.
Edited by dannyh (18 Mar 2015 11.41am) 1) I brought up those messages because they are the only things that have ever been sent to my inbox. So I remember them and in sending them to me you were a massive prick. I don't know why you sent me the messages, you could have just replied on the forum. Why did you? 2) Maybe I am unintelligent but I do not consider myself rude and funnily enough, I'm not so close minded to believe that everyone who believes in a religion has no valid argument in any way. I believe that atheists, agnostic and religious people (of all faiths) can be intelligent. You have presented yourself as dismissive of anything that isn't scientific atheism. I'd rather be a moron than abusive and horrible, which is what you have showed yourself to be. 3) I have had civilised and thorough debates with people who seem far more accepting and intelligent than you and are totally against my opinion both on this forum and in real life. 4) Not everything can be immediately verified by science or history. I draw your attention to the 'miracle' of the sun in 1917, witnessed by at least 30,000 people, many of whom were atheists and journalists. Things like this are part of my basis for faith, not simply a book. 5) You talk about Christians burning heretics. You're right that was dreadful but check out this (probably inaccurate) graphic. [Link]
I've described you as a massive prick because you took it upon yourself to unfairly undermine mine and others' arguments through abusive responses to what should be a civilised debate. There is no room for a civilised debate with you because you are not willing to consider other arguments in a respectful way. For that reason I am open and happy to call you a massive prick because of this attitude. Nonetheless, my approach in response to your comments on my beliefs has been respectful and calculated to the best of my abilities. Nonetheless I think it fair that I can express my personal thoughts on your character even if I treat your arguments in my responses with the same respect I would anyone else. You're the one who decided to send abusive messages to my inbox. That was a private conversation completely unrelated to the context of debate. It is on these grounds and these grounds only that I called you a massive prick not because of your opinions on religion. And you are a massive prick. Good day sir.
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See, this is what happens when established religion comes up. That's why I started this thread, we'd all be better off sitting back and admiring sexy nuns, as in the video link. Failing that, I think Peter Griffin was onto something when he started the Church of the Fonz.
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Quote Crystal_Clear at 18 Mar 2015 5.26pm
See, this is what happens when established religion comes up. Failing that, I think Peter Griffin was onto something when he started the Church of the Fonz. This is what happens when any subject which solicits strong opinions comes up LOL
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 18 Mar 15 6.15pm |
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Quote Crystal_Clear at 18 Mar 2015 5.26pm
See, this is what happens when established religion comes up. That's why I started this thread, we'd all be better off sitting back and admiring sexy nuns, as in the video link. Failing that, I think Peter Griffin was onto something when he started the Church of the Fonz.
It doesnt matter if you muslim or christian or Jew, people who blindly believe all their religious texts are dangerous people to have around.
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