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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Apr 14 4.50pm
Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 12.36pm Can any goalkeeper advise if Jules was at fault with Man City's first goal? Should he have: A) Caught or punched the cross before it found the striker? B) Been quicker with his dive? IMO, he didn't seem to command his goal area with a great deal of authority during the match. Hope his chances (admittedly slim) of a World Cup call-up have not been jeopardised. Will Hennessy be given a run-out before the end of the season? Yes he should have done better from a bullet downward header from 3 yards out, delivered by a literally inch perfect cross. Jesus Christ. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Apr 14 4.50pm

Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 12.36pm

Can any goalkeeper advise if Jules was at fault with Man City's first goal?

Should he have:

A) Caught or punched the cross before it found the striker?

B) Been quicker with his dive?

IMO, he didn't seem to command his goal area with a great deal of authority during the match.

Hope his chances (admittedly slim) of a World Cup call-up have not been jeopardised.

Will Hennessy be given a run-out before the end of the season?

Yes he should have done better from a bullet downward header from 3 yards out, delivered by a literally inch perfect cross.

Jesus Christ.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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merganser 28 Apr 14 4.51pm
Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot?
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28 Apr 14 4.51pm

Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot?

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paperhat croydon 28 Apr 14 4.58pm
Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 4.51pm Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot? If he was told where the ball was going to go, he'd have been hard pushed to get to it with his hand/foot/leg/ar$e let alone it being flung at him as it was. How ever many times you ask the question or re-phrase it, the consensus is that NO, Jules wasnt at fault for the goal and couldnt have done much to stop it. Edited by paperhat (28 Apr 2014 5.38pm) Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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croydon 28 Apr 14 4.58pm

Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 4.51pm

Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot?

If he was told where the ball was going to go, he'd have been hard pushed to get to it with his hand/foot/leg/ar$e let alone it being flung at him as it was.

How ever many times you ask the question or re-phrase it, the consensus is that NO, Jules wasnt at fault for the goal and couldnt have done much to stop it.

Edited by paperhat (28 Apr 2014 5.38pm)

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Petereagle Brockley 28 Apr 14 5.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2014 1.25pm No, it was a perfect ball in between the defence and the Keeper. If he comes for that, he doesn't get there in time. If he positions himself to be able to get there in time, he's more likely to conceed from a shot. Toure had too much time on the ball, and were not fast enough to stop Dejko. No ones fault, they were just better than us. Toure was given a lot of space to cross. So if there was a fault, it was not closing him Dow before he crossed.
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Brockley 28 Apr 14 5.32pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2014 1.25pm

No, it was a perfect ball in between the defence and the Keeper. If he comes for that, he doesn't get there in time. If he positions himself to be able to get there in time, he's more likely to conceed from a shot.

Toure had too much time on the ball, and were not fast enough to stop Dejko.

No ones fault, they were just better than us.

Toure was given a lot of space to cross. So if there was a fault, it was not closing him Dow before he crossed.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 28 Apr 14 5.47pm
Quote coachmatt at 28 Apr 2014 2.57pm In my humble opinion as a Goal Keeping coach to Juniors: a) Not at fault in my opinion. He was standing in the correct place to react to either a shot or cross. Scorer jumped up between two defenders (who could have intercepted ball or blocked his path to the ball)from an awesome pinpoint cross. b) Striker headed the ball down and hard (like they're taught to) GK had no chance. How do we stop these type of goals? a) Mark the player attempting to pass the ball tighter (close his space to reduce his options). b) The defenders on the striker need to get up in the air at the right time to defect the ball or at least prevent the ball from reaching their striker. It was a superb cross and quality header - we've perhaps got to accept sometimes the quality that we are up against. Unfortunately our defence wasn't its usual Iron Curtain self yesterday. Toure had all the steel and their quality showed as suggested. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 28 Apr 14 5.47pm

Quote coachmatt at 28 Apr 2014 2.57pm

In my humble opinion as a Goal Keeping coach to Juniors:
a) Not at fault in my opinion. He was standing in the correct place to react to either a shot or cross. Scorer jumped up between two defenders (who could have intercepted ball or blocked his path to the ball)from an awesome pinpoint cross.
b) Striker headed the ball down and hard (like they're taught to) GK had no chance.

How do we stop these type of goals?
a) Mark the player attempting to pass the ball tighter (close his space to reduce his options).
b) The defenders on the striker need to get up in the air at the right time to defect the ball or at least prevent the ball from reaching their striker.

It was a superb cross and quality header - we've perhaps got to accept sometimes the quality that we are up against.

Unfortunately our defence wasn't its usual Iron Curtain self yesterday. Toure had all the steel and their quality showed as suggested.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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dg1937 28 Apr 14 6.10pm
I think this thread demonstrates that we've got so used to Jules pulling off miracle saves that some can't quite believe it when he doesn't. As several others have said the fault was giving Toure too much time and space to pick out a perfect cross. The trajectory and pace of the cross meant Jules couldn't have got to it and the downward header was pretty much perfect. Dann or Mariappa needed to have got closer to Dzeko and put him under pressure, they only gave him a yard of space but it was enough. The 'mistake' for the second goal was letting Toure bulldoze through the defence. The man's almost unstoppable when he's on a charge as plenty of other defenders have found out this season. I don't believe Jules had any chance with that goal either. I didn't think City were at their best on Sunday but they have class all over the pitch, Toure in particular was the difference. Sometimes you just have to hold your hand up. Palace were not disgraced.
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28 Apr 14 6.10pm

I think this thread demonstrates that we've got so used to Jules pulling off miracle saves that some can't quite believe it when he doesn't.

As several others have said the fault was giving Toure too much time and space to pick out a perfect cross. The trajectory and pace of the cross meant Jules couldn't have got to it and the downward header was pretty much perfect. Dann or Mariappa needed to have got closer to Dzeko and put him under pressure, they only gave him a yard of space but it was enough.

The 'mistake' for the second goal was letting Toure bulldoze through the defence. The man's almost unstoppable when he's on a charge as plenty of other defenders have found out this season. I don't believe Jules had any chance with that goal either.

I didn't think City were at their best on Sunday but they have class all over the pitch, Toure in particular was the difference. Sometimes you just have to hold your hand up. Palace were not disgraced.

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