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martin2412 Living The Dream 02 Apr 14 10.03pm
Quote silvertop at 02 Apr 2014 4.25pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.52pm Quote rikz at 02 Apr 2014 2.46pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.34pm Here we go again. So Palace need to stay up to justify a new stadium? Na, if that were the case then Palace wouldn't have built anything yet. Like the roads, build them and see the traffic come after. It always does and so it will again. It's all aquestion of faith. Those who say we should wait to build have no faith in our club. Hideous! ^^^ this We could of easily got 35k at home this season with selling tickets on the door, okay alot would be day trippers and a few away fans in the home end but its what you get at a lot of other grounds in the premier league, and it would be worth it for the extra income the club would get Yep Nope - unless the local planning authority say yep. It's all well and good saying we should expand to accommodate 35k + but the LPA have to approve it first. When we last applied to rebuild the ground with c42k seats, the LPA agreed a plan but limited to an increased capacity of only 600. As I said when I last posted on this, there will have to have been a complete sea change from the 1990s and the club may also have to finance a lot of public realm changes to deal with increased numbers, parking, road use, public transport etc as a condition for any significant increase in capacity. This takes time and a long term financial commitment which we are only likely to meet if we stay up. I don't understand this at all. Why would they only grant permission for another 600 thinking the infrastructure is insufficient to cope ? I have been in Selhurst with over 50,000 in there, and regular crowds of between 30 - 40,000 when the transport system was about the same as it is now. Probably the health & safety brigade strike again.
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Living The Dream 02 Apr 14 10.03pm

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Here we go again. So Palace need to stay up to justify a new stadium? Na, if that were the case then Palace wouldn't have built anything yet. Like the roads, build them and see the traffic come after. It always does and so it will again. It's all aquestion of faith. Those who say we should wait to build have no faith in our club. Hideous!

^^^ this
We could of easily got 35k at home this season with selling tickets on the door, okay alot would be day trippers and a few away fans in the home end but its what you get at a lot of other grounds in the premier league, and it would be worth it for the extra income the club would get

Yep

Nope - unless the local planning authority say yep. It's all well and good saying we should expand to accommodate 35k + but the LPA have to approve it first. When we last applied to rebuild the ground with c42k seats, the LPA agreed a plan but limited to an increased capacity of only 600. As I said when I last posted on this, there will have to have been a complete sea change from the 1990s and the club may also have to finance a lot of public realm changes to deal with increased numbers, parking, road use, public transport etc as a condition for any significant increase in capacity. This takes time and a long term financial commitment which we are only likely to meet if we stay up.

I don't understand this at all. Why would they only grant permission for another 600 thinking the infrastructure is insufficient to cope ? I have been in Selhurst with over 50,000 in there, and regular crowds of between 30 - 40,000 when the transport system was about the same as it is now. Probably the health & safety brigade strike again.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 02 Apr 14 10.06pm
Quote aquickgame2 at 02 Apr 2014 9.31pm 30/35k do me a favour,we cant fill our ground at the moment...yea maybe we can get 30/35k but too often we wont,were a little club,dont get above your station. Stay where we are and lets look in 5 years time....when we're in the Champions League Bless! Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Quote aquickgame2 at 02 Apr 2014 9.31pm

30/35k do me a favour,we cant fill our ground at the moment...yea maybe we can get 30/35k but too often we wont,were a little club,dont get above your station.

Stay where we are and lets look in 5 years time....when we're in the Champions League

Bless!

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Palace_denizen filed under " time wasters " 02 Apr 14 10.16pm
lots of other clubs are expanding and getting bigger stadia. We are going backwards if we try to stay put. Laughing at Charlton - Every London Clyub's fourth or fifth most hated team - [Link]
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filed under " time wasters " 02 Apr 14 10.16pm

lots of other clubs are expanding and getting bigger stadia. We are going backwards if we try to stay put.

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EastEndPalace WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 02 Apr 14 11.34pm
I get annoyed with the small club mentality we are not a small club, we are an average sized club with massive and I mean massive potential. Potential cannot be maximized however without ambition.
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WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 02 Apr 14 11.34pm

I get annoyed with the small club mentality we are not a small club, we are an average sized club with massive and I mean massive potential. Potential cannot be maximized however without ambition.

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hastingseagle67 03 Apr 14 1.10pm
So we can grow into a slightly bigger club and establish ourselves as a mid table premiere league club, cos let's face it we will never break into the top 6. Boooorrrring !!! A couple of seasons messing around in the top league, maybe a flirt with relegation or two, that we survive. Then the disappointment of the drop. A couple of seasons in the championship flirting with the play offs, then a fantastic promotion season. That will do me. Mid table - schmid table ! has resisted writing a single post on the Ross McCormack thread !!!
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So we can grow into a slightly bigger club and establish ourselves as a mid table premiere league club, cos let's face it we will never break into the top 6. Boooorrrring !!!
A couple of seasons messing around in the top league, maybe a flirt with relegation or two, that we survive. Then the disappointment of the drop. A couple of seasons in the championship flirting with the play offs, then a fantastic promotion season. That will do me. Mid table - schmid table !

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 03 Apr 14 1.41pm
Quote Lyons550 at 02 Apr 2014 7.34pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 3.16pm Brighton and their owners are stating they are a big club with a big future. It may cost money, but they believe. What about us? Stand up if you believe in Palace. Stay sitting if you want a small club forever. Thank god A. J. Wait had the foresight and subsequent chairman have followed his lead. Keep sitting Lyons550! It's done Brighton the world of good. For all their crap, they have a better ground than us. Happy? f***ing fat lot of good its doing them. I agree about the need to build but we must do so pragmatically...
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Landrindod, Wales 03 Apr 14 1.41pm

Quote Lyons550 at 02 Apr 2014 7.34pm

Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 3.16pm

Brighton and their owners are stating they are a big club with a big future. It may cost money, but they believe. What about us? Stand up if you believe in Palace. Stay sitting if you want a small club forever. Thank god A. J. Wait had the foresight and subsequent chairman have followed his lead.

Keep sitting Lyons550! It's done Brighton the world of good. For all their crap, they have a better ground than us. Happy?

f***ing fat lot of good its doing them. I agree about the need to build but we must do so pragmatically...

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silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 14 1.50pm
Quote Catfish at 02 Apr 2014 5.59pm Quote est1905 at 02 Apr 2014 5.28pm Quote girvinator at 02 Apr 2014 5.22pm Pretty sure SP has two plans for the stadium both short term and long. One for a Palace in the Championship and one for a Premiership Palace. The ground still needs work regardless of what league its just being in the Prem means more work can be done quicker due to funds, expansions will be bigger. Facilities better etc due to the extra demand. A tricky situation for the board definitely. Also they dont want any construction reducing the stadium size on a temporary basis whilst we are still in the Prem. I know for a fact if we stay up 1 mil is getting put in undersoil heating this summer. Well that's a first as Palace have repeatedly applied for planning permission to install under soil heating over the years and has always been denied. Noades applied at least twice as did Jordan. I do not know what the grounds for refusal were but I do know the club have wanted to install it at Selhurst Park for years and not been allowed. It's not even that expensive to install. Certainly not the £1m you mention. Most of the labour costs will be already covered by our own groundstaff who are already on the pay role Probably the usual reason - didn't offer the Croydon council planning committee members a big enough back hander. Planing consent for under-soil heating? Are you sure? Do you have a link for this that would prove me wrong? Croydon may have turned down an application based on non compliance with building, electrical or other like regulations or on health and safety grounds; otherwise, I would be surprised if a decent under-soil heating system properly fitted would need Council approval. Perhaps previous boards have attempted to instal a cheap [and potentially dangerous] system?
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Portishead 03 Apr 14 1.50pm

Quote Catfish at 02 Apr 2014 5.59pm

Quote est1905 at 02 Apr 2014 5.28pm

Quote girvinator at 02 Apr 2014 5.22pm

Pretty sure SP has two plans for the stadium both short term and long. One for a Palace in the Championship and one for a Premiership Palace.

The ground still needs work regardless of what league its just being in the Prem means more work can be done quicker due to funds, expansions will be bigger. Facilities better etc due to the extra demand.

A tricky situation for the board definitely. Also they dont want any construction reducing the stadium size on a temporary basis whilst we are still in the Prem.

I know for a fact if we stay up 1 mil is getting put in undersoil heating this summer.

Well that's a first as Palace have repeatedly applied for planning permission to install under soil heating over the years and has always been denied. Noades applied at least twice as did Jordan. I do not know what the grounds for refusal were but I do know the club have wanted to install it at Selhurst Park for years and not been allowed.
It's not even that expensive to install. Certainly not the £1m you mention. Most of the labour costs will be already covered by our own groundstaff who are already on the pay role

Probably the usual reason - didn't offer the Croydon council planning committee members a big enough back hander.

Planing consent for under-soil heating? Are you sure? Do you have a link for this that would prove me wrong?

Croydon may have turned down an application based on non compliance with building, electrical or other like regulations or on health and safety grounds; otherwise, I would be surprised if a decent under-soil heating system properly fitted would need Council approval. Perhaps previous boards have attempted to instal a cheap [and potentially dangerous] system?

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silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 14 1.59pm
Quote martin2412 at 02 Apr 2014 10.03pm Quote silvertop at 02 Apr 2014 4.25pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.52pm Quote rikz at 02 Apr 2014 2.46pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.34pm Here we go again. So Palace need to stay up to justify a new stadium? Na, if that were the case then Palace wouldn't have built anything yet. Like the roads, build them and see the traffic come after. It always does and so it will again. It's all aquestion of faith. Those who say we should wait to build have no faith in our club. Hideous! ^^^ this We could of easily got 35k at home this season with selling tickets on the door, okay alot would be day trippers and a few away fans in the home end but its what you get at a lot of other grounds in the premier league, and it would be worth it for the extra income the club would get Yep Nope - unless the local planning authority say yep. It's all well and good saying we should expand to accommodate 35k + but the LPA have to approve it first. When we last applied to rebuild the ground with c42k seats, the LPA agreed a plan but limited to an increased capacity of only 600. As I said when I last posted on this, there will have to have been a complete sea change from the 1990s and the club may also have to finance a lot of public realm changes to deal with increased numbers, parking, road use, public transport etc as a condition for any significant increase in capacity. This takes time and a long term financial commitment which we are only likely to meet if we stay up. I don't understand this at all. Why would they only grant permission for another 600 thinking the infrastructure is insufficient to cope ? I have been in Selhurst with over 50,000 in there, and regular crowds of between 30 - 40,000 when the transport system was about the same as it is now. Probably the health & safety brigade strike again. Correct. Different time; different rules. For instance, the Burnley match preceded Hillsborough and the Taylor Report. Also, s106 of the Town and Country Planning Act came into force in 1990 - this is the one empowering the LPA to insist on improvements to public realm as a condition for granting consent for major developments. I should also add that LPA's are not consistent throughout the country. While Liverpool were happy to allow their team in red consent to demolish a row of Victorian houses to accomodate a grand new stand, that does not serve as an authority requiring Croydon to follow suit. LPAs have wide discretion to take into account local factors.
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Portishead 03 Apr 14 1.59pm

Quote martin2412 at 02 Apr 2014 10.03pm

Quote silvertop at 02 Apr 2014 4.25pm

Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.52pm

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Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 2.34pm

Yep

Correct. Different time; different rules.

For instance, the Burnley match preceded Hillsborough and the Taylor Report. Also, s106 of the Town and Country Planning Act came into force in 1990 - this is the one empowering the LPA to insist on improvements to public realm as a condition for granting consent for major developments.

I should also add that LPA's are not consistent throughout the country. While Liverpool were happy to allow their team in red consent to demolish a row of Victorian houses to accomodate a grand new stand, that does not serve as an authority requiring Croydon to follow suit. LPAs have wide discretion to take into account local factors.

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Lyons550 Shirley 03 Apr 14 2.21pm
Quote adrian b at 03 Apr 2014 1.41pm Quote Lyons550 at 02 Apr 2014 7.34pm Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 3.16pm Brighton and their owners are stating they are a big club with a big future. It may cost money, but they believe. What about us? Stand up if you believe in Palace. Stay sitting if you want a small club forever. Thank god A. J. Wait had the foresight and subsequent chairman have followed his lead. Keep sitting Lyons550! It's done Brighton the world of good. For all their crap, they have a better ground than us. Happy? f***ing fat lot of good its doing them. I agree about the need to build but we must do so pragmatically... There are plenty clubs that have bigger grounds than us that are in the divisions below, never full and white elephants. If you read what I said I agree we need to redevelop/expand...just that we do it pragmatically and in an affordable manner. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Quote adrian b at 03 Apr 2014 1.41pm

Quote Lyons550 at 02 Apr 2014 7.34pm

Quote adrian b at 02 Apr 2014 3.16pm

Keep sitting Lyons550! It's done Brighton the world of good. For all their crap, they have a better ground than us. Happy?

f***ing fat lot of good its doing them. I agree about the need to build but we must do so pragmatically...

There are plenty clubs that have bigger grounds than us that are in the divisions below, never full and white elephants. If you read what I said I agree we need to redevelop/expand...just that we do it pragmatically and in an affordable manner.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 04 Apr 14 2.03pm
Bit confused now Lyon. What having a stadium that can accommodate more fans than the season's average got to do with white elephants? Whatyer saying, unless every seat is taken up there's a white elephant? I think if a team is watched by 20,000 in a ground for 30,000, or by 35,000 in a 45,000 seater then all's well. No need to panic about building a stadium for the future. Unless, of course, you do not think there is a future. A bleak thought. I prefer to be positive, look to a big future and let Selhurst be a testament to that.
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Landrindod, Wales 04 Apr 14 2.03pm

Bit confused now Lyon. What having a stadium that can accommodate more fans than the season's average got to do with white elephants? Whatyer saying, unless every seat is taken up there's a white elephant? I think if a team is watched by 20,000 in a ground for 30,000, or by 35,000 in a 45,000 seater then all's well. No need to panic about building a stadium for the future. Unless, of course, you do not think there is a future. A bleak thought. I prefer to be positive, look to a big future and let Selhurst be a testament to that.

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rikz Croydon 04 Apr 14 2.11pm
What would people like a redeveloped selhurst to look like, id love to see the main stand look like the crystal palace from outside
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Croydon 04 Apr 14 2.11pm

What would people like a redeveloped selhurst to look like, id love to see the main stand look like the crystal palace from outside

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hastingseagle67 04 Apr 14 2.11pm
But what is a "big future" for Palace. Surely you've got to admit that we are never going to win the premiere league, so what's the point of finishing tenth or eleventh every season. Where's the emotion that comes with the highs and lows of relegation and promotion. The only good thing I could foresee would be the chance that you might make the odd cup final, but that's very hit and miss. has resisted writing a single post on the Ross McCormack thread !!!
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But what is a "big future" for Palace. Surely you've got to admit that we are never going to win the premiere league, so what's the point of finishing tenth or eleventh every season. Where's the emotion that comes with the highs and lows of relegation and promotion. The only good thing I could foresee would be the chance that you might make the odd cup final, but that's very hit and miss.

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