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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Apr 14 10.33am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 8.57pm
If the police hadn't been so incompetent and then tried to cover up through lies and distortion what had actually happened as did some elements of the media this would have been put to bed a long time ago. The coroner got it wrong too. It has gone on way too long, it's boring now tbh, but it is not the scousers fault. It's the West Yorkshire Old Bill from back then giving the families no option but to fight back and keep it high on the agenda, no matter how long it takes to get the real facts confirmed by the judiciary, so they can eventually move on. If it were your son or daughter who had died you'd be doing the same. Heysel, Bradford and Ibrox. There was no police cover-up. That's the difference.
But saying if it was someone else's son or daughter they'd have done the same you cannot be sure of. This kind of drawn out protest damages and ends relationships that otherwise might have lasted much longer. Often it can be where one wants to carry on and another wants to go forward and not keep it at the forefront of their lives.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Apr 14 10.41am | |
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Quote oohahh at 02 Apr 2014 10.31am
There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
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paperhat croydon 02 Apr 14 11.24am | |
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Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm
the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them. Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm) Factually wrong? So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?
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Hoof Hearted 02 Apr 14 11.28am | |
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Quote EastEndPalace at 01 Apr 2014 5.11pm
I am sorry but I couldn't care less if it happened to us hardly anyone wouldn't take any notice. Ill participate in the silence but I wont pander up to it anymore then that.
It could've been any team's fans, including us. And what about Heysel, Bradford et al? The only reason this is taking any importance is because its currently in the news. If anything at all, there should be a protest against sh1tty policing should there not?
It's "taking importance" as you put it because it's 25 years ago this month and the new inquest is beginning. As football fans we should support the Hillsborough campaigners because it could've been any of us and if it was us, I'd want other fans to support us. Agree the policing of the event should be looked at, which it will be during the course of the inquest. For EastEndPalace to say he "couldn't care less" that 96 people died at a football match is worrying for all fans, imo.
Is it because the Liverpudlian psyche seems to define itself through misery, 'hardship' and a victim culture? Is it coincidental that Liverpool has been described as 'The Self Pity Capital of Europe'? Why has Hillsborough leap-frogged other, equally dreadful, tragedies in the public imagination? I am fully prepared to observe the silence at the Villa game but surely a 7 minute delay to the kickoff is a bit OTT. I also dislike this attitude of 'observe it or you're a c*nt' which seems to be all too prevalent these days. It's got a little out of hand, in my view.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Apr 14 12.46pm | |
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Quote paperhat at 02 Apr 2014 11.24am
Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 9.35pm
Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm
the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them. Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm) Factually wrong? So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?
What's your point? Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 12.49pm)
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Plane Bromley 02 Apr 14 1.56pm | |
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Quote oohahh at 02 Apr 2014 10.31am
There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Edited by Plane (02 Apr 2014 1.57pm)
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Apr 14 2.24pm | |
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Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm
the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Apr 14 2.25pm | |
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Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 02 Apr 14 2.42pm | |
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Adhering to the silence goes without saying. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though. I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014. I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon. Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Apr 14 3.04pm | |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 02 Apr 2014 2.42pm
Adhering to the silence goes without saying. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though. I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014. I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon. Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.
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Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 02 Apr 14 3.06pm | |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 02 Apr 2014 2.42pm
Adhering to the silence goes without saying. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a banner when they visit us though. I appreciate the importance of the inquiry, I appreciate the effort the families have made in reaching this point and the obvious injustice they feel. I agree that this has gone on long enough, but as the initial findings seem to suggest, it's not the victim's families fault that we are still here in 2014. I think, ultimately, the importance of the silence, or any subsequent banners or displays, is that the lives of anyone who lost their life in and around the game of football under tragic circumstances should be remembered and not forgotten. It's not just about the 96 inquest, it's not about the injustice, or who was to blame. It's about the lives of those that lost their lives. Normal people, men, women, children. Those who have a memorial outside a stadium, those that don't. Heysel, Bradford, Paul Nixon. Forget about the politics, and remember the people. Any effort made by our fans should, IMHO, echo this sentiment, and not spark a political debate.
There's a time and a place. The politics can all too often obscure what really matters.
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Apr 14 3.10pm | |
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