Maths not your strong suit either......

No it is actually - got an A in that subject - one thing I was taught was something called "rounding up"

It actually comes in handy sometimes, such as now, you should give it a go.

Edited by Mstrobez (25 Feb 2014 9.24am)

We're the Arthur over ere!

There are frequent threads on this site with regard to a new stadium. Some question whether it would become a half empty irrelevance. Reading this particular thread the ability to get the neccessary attendance to allow for a new place is geatly impaired. What do you dinosaurs want? The Den perhaps, half-filled with 9,000 baying hard boys. Others would like to go but are put off and so the Oooligans can only afford cheap, and unambitious players. I suppose that's where we're heading. But if that makes you happy.....

I've never once watched a game at Selhurst Park and spent my time there worrying about how long the rest of the crowd had been watching Palace for. For the 90 minutes of the game everyone who has paid to get in deserves their place in the stadium as much as anyone else and I would imagine the ticket office is equally as non-discriminatory when you're giving them your credit card details.

Just enjoy the packed out stadium and accept that everyone is entitled to watch football how they want to (within reason and within the law).

It really seems a shame that in such a potentially fantastic season in the history of Palace we have to have a big argument about the validity of supporters every single day. Even people starting threads suggesting we don't have an argument just serves to start another argument.

Ironically I don't think it's necessarily new fans you're referring to.

That said, it seems more and more often, that the message displayed on Saturday, is utterly redundant.

It'll take another trip to Lloyd's to get everyone pulling in the same direction again, and sadly by then we will all be in mourning.

RED AND BLUE ARMY!

It's not really about if fans are new, old or returning is it really? It's more about controlling your environment and where you sit and the behaviour that you want to exhibit.

I've had my seat for a long time and I know people who sit around me and have been sitting there for years and we've all become accustomed to the behaviour that we expect and the atmosphere that will be generated. I sit in the Arthur in the upper part of block V and had all sorts next to me this season who I can tell immediately it they are going to enjoy sitting in that seat. Man Utd game we had two older ladies and a few kids in their early teens and my first thoughts were that a) they going to feel intimidated when everyone stands up and b) they are not going to like the colourful language that is likely to materialize in a matter of minutes. Now they had two choices, say something or move. They moved.

If you someone finds themselves in the upper parts of blocks V or W in the Arthur or in the Holmesdale fanatics blocks, then they're not realistically going to try and ask 40 odd blokes to tone it down a little, however if they're anywhere else in the ground, then they're more likely to feel able to try and control their environment and ask people to stop.

And that's when the problem arises as these people are on your turf, your patch of the ground where you've been sitting for years and years and how dare they be so arrogant to ask such a thing. However in their minds they have that right, they've bought their ticket and they want to watch the team they've supported for years without listening to crude language.

The amount of times someone gets to a game isn't indicative of their level of support for the club, for those of you like myself who've been lucky enough to afford the time and money to get a season ticket over the years, just remember that there may come a time when one or both of those things are lacking and you might only be able to afford the odd game here or there. Would that then make you less of a supporter?

As for new supporters, you were a new supporter once and whilst I do agree that some of our new supporters should come to the games with a more open attitude rather than expecting the atmosphere they might find in the theatre, we still need to welcome them in and encourage them to come back. Frankly like every club that isn't one of the top six or seven, we need the money.

The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots