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Kempez anywhere but here 03 Feb 14 1.41pm
Quote Ian77 at 03 Feb 2014 1.12pm Quote Kempez at 03 Feb 2014 10.10am Quote Beaverwilly at 03 Feb 2014 9.21am Quote Kempez at 03 Feb 2014 9.06am I don't often post but go to a lot of away games and am a ST holder at home. Yesterdays game was a odd one, the atmosphere was very good but seemed to be a lot of drunk fans there all acting a bit silly during the game in block 20, I didnt see any trouble but left quickly at the end as had my 11yr old brother with me and thought there could be, so I met a mate who is an arsenal ST holder and walked away with him. Before the game there was a large group dressed in black chanting and being marched over the bridge towards the clock tower end by the Police (I don't know if this was the HF or not) but I was just going through the search area and it kicked off with the police for a brief moment so there was trouble before hand which was very disappointing as there is usually none not even Brighton away last season. It has me debating whether or not to go to certain other away games this season especially west ham which is a shame. I think this unfortunately could be the new fans we are attracting and who buy tickets through the touts etc Sad to hear that, hopefully you and your little brother wont be put off going to more games. I think the 4pm Sunday kick off time maybe made a difference with the extra time in the pubs before hand. I doubt the group you saw kicking off with the police were the same lot as those at the station, unless the lads dressed all in black were 35-50 year olds as the OP witnessed? I couldn't tell you to be honest just all seemed in black and dark clothing there were police and horses there and it was a good 25m from me so couldn't see faces hair colour. Also I am not saying because they were in black they were the HF, it would seem odd if it was as the section of crowd they were in was smaller than group that was marched I quite like the HF and the athmosphere they help generate and could not even of been them but we are starting to get a certain type of fan now that is worrying It won't stop me going to most games but certainly will think about a few, I'm in my 20's so am not as worried for me but it's little brother I am careful of, even down to yesterday usually you can easily squeeze past people single file with him holding my coat etc but yesterday that was just a nightmare to. maybe your right the extra hour in the pubs and people thinking oh its arsenal lets start early etc etc plus its not a game you have to think about travel too hard like stoke etc and were a lot of faces I hadn't seen at games previously when usually you can recognise 60% of the people who go most away games There was a bit of aggro beforehand. The HF were ahead of me walking over the bridge. The police saw (and heard) them approaching so called for extra police to run up and walk beside them and an extra 4 horses raced past. The police basically wanted them in the stadium as soon as possible saying "if you've got tickets, please enter the stadium" and maneuvered the horses a little too violently towards them in order to shuffle the fans towards the turnstiles. Some reacted angrily to the police 'forcing' them to enter the stadium, a couple of punches were thrown and some goading occured, but not much more than that really. Yes that sounds about right pal, what I saw was a brief encounter as I was going through the search area. As I say no problem with the HF and majority of our fans are very well behaved it's the minority we seem to be getting back that is the issue. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee
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anywhere but here 03 Feb 14 1.41pm

Quote Ian77 at 03 Feb 2014 1.12pm

Quote Kempez at 03 Feb 2014 10.10am

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Quote Kempez at 03 Feb 2014 9.06am

I don't often post but go to a lot of away games and am a ST holder at home.

Yesterdays game was a odd one, the atmosphere was very good but seemed to be a lot of drunk fans there all acting a bit silly during the game in block 20, I didnt see any trouble but left quickly at the end as had my 11yr old brother with me and thought there could be, so I met a mate who is an arsenal ST holder and walked away with him.

Before the game there was a large group dressed in black chanting and being marched over the bridge towards the clock tower end by the Police (I don't know if this was the HF or not) but I was just going through the search area and it kicked off with the police for a brief moment so there was trouble before hand which was very disappointing as there is usually none not even Brighton away last season. It has me debating whether or not to go to certain other away games this season especially west ham which is a shame. I think this unfortunately could be the new fans we are attracting and who buy tickets through the touts etc

Sad to hear that, hopefully you and your little brother wont be put off going to more games. I think the 4pm Sunday kick off time maybe made a difference with the extra time in the pubs before hand.

I doubt the group you saw kicking off with the police were the same lot as those at the station, unless the lads dressed all in black were 35-50 year olds as the OP witnessed?

I couldn't tell you to be honest just all seemed in black and dark clothing there were police and horses there and it was a good 25m from me so couldn't see faces hair colour. Also I am not saying because they were in black they were the HF, it would seem odd if it was as the section of crowd they were in was smaller than group that was marched I quite like the HF and the athmosphere they help generate and could not even of been them but we are starting to get a certain type of fan now that is worrying

It won't stop me going to most games but certainly will think about a few, I'm in my 20's so am not as worried for me but it's little brother I am careful of, even down to yesterday usually you can easily squeeze past people single file with him holding my coat etc but yesterday that was just a nightmare to. maybe your right the extra hour in the pubs and people thinking oh its arsenal lets start early etc etc plus its not a game you have to think about travel too hard like stoke etc and were a lot of faces I hadn't seen at games previously when usually you can recognise 60% of the people who go most away games

There was a bit of aggro beforehand. The HF were ahead of me walking over the bridge. The police saw (and heard) them approaching so called for extra police to run up and walk beside them and an extra 4 horses raced past. The police basically wanted them in the stadium as soon as possible saying "if you've got tickets, please enter the stadium" and maneuvered the horses a little too violently towards them in order to shuffle the fans towards the turnstiles. Some reacted angrily to the police 'forcing' them to enter the stadium, a couple of punches were thrown and some goading occured, but not much more than that really.

Yes that sounds about right pal, what I saw was a brief encounter as I was going through the search area. As I say no problem with the HF and majority of our fans are very well behaved it's the minority we seem to be getting back that is the issue.

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est1905 03 Feb 14 9.07pm
Quote Lyons550 at 03 Feb 2014 8.46am Quote est1905 at 02 Feb 2014 9.07pm Quote hibbystu at 02 Feb 2014 9.01pm Quote est1905 at 02 Feb 2014 8.49pm Quote bubble wrap at 02 Feb 2014 8.02pm Quote redpalace91 at 02 Feb 2014 7.55pm This doesn't have anything to do with the street choir known as 'the ultras' does it ? No, more a mob of 35-50 year olds wanting to fight anyone. no need to blame the HF ffs. Wouldn't be the first time they've tried to act the big men though would it? Can't blame people for making the connection HF were 1st class toay, f off and leave them alone Ha ha, run along little one. I'm entitled to my opinion and have accused no one of anything (if you can read) . They do a lot for the atmosphere at games. They do not have a monopoly on supporting Palace. Nobody does. So pick your toys back up and put em back in the pram. No...but you're guilty of lazy supposition which is just as bad. You and redpalace are simply waiting for a hint of a connection to say 'told you so' whilst in the meantime are both sniffing round for an excuse rather like dogs round a bitch on heat. Sad Absolute rubbish. You do not know what I am thinking therefore have zero qualification to know what I am waiting for. Sniffing around for an excuse like a bitch on heat? You've lost me there. This message board is for opinions to be aired. If you don't agree with me then that's fine, I can just about live with that but please talk some sense and put a little fact behind your statement. I know people that stand in block B and have done since 95 when the Holmesdale was built. They still stand there as they love to stand, sing and enjoy the atmosphere. I am recovering from an operation and cannot stand for more than ten minutes without unbearable pain at the moment otherwise I'd still be there or close to it now. I think the HF do a great job of keeping the singing going and adding to the atmosphere and have said as much many times. What my friends object to (and I have witnessed what they are talking about) is HF members trying to dictate what songs to sing, when to sing them, refusing to join in with a song they didn't start and being told they shouldn't be in that area as its for 'HF only'. This is for me where it crosses the line. After all we are all fans of the same team and should surely be united in our support. It is my belief and my opinion that Crystal Palace Football Club was here for a hundred years befor the HF and will probably still be there long after they are no longer the 'in' club to be in. They offer AMAZING support at times but some of them need to remember we are all fans of the same club.
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03 Feb 14 9.07pm

Quote Lyons550 at 03 Feb 2014 8.46am

Quote est1905 at 02 Feb 2014 9.07pm

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Quote est1905 at 02 Feb 2014 8.49pm

Quote bubble wrap at 02 Feb 2014 8.02pm

Quote redpalace91 at 02 Feb 2014 7.55pm

This doesn't have anything to do with the street choir known as 'the ultras' does it ?

No, more a mob of 35-50 year olds wanting to fight anyone. no need to blame the HF ffs.

Wouldn't be the first time they've tried to act the big men though would it?
Can't blame people for making the connection

HF were 1st class toay, f off and leave them alone

Ha ha, run along little one. I'm entitled to my opinion and have accused no one of anything (if you can read) .
They do a lot for the atmosphere at games. They do not have a monopoly on supporting Palace. Nobody does. So pick your toys back up and put em back in the pram.

No...but you're guilty of lazy supposition which is just as bad. You and redpalace are simply waiting for a hint of a connection to say 'told you so' whilst in the meantime are both sniffing round for an excuse rather like dogs round a bitch on heat. Sad

Absolute rubbish.
You do not know what I am thinking therefore have zero qualification to know what I am waiting for. Sniffing around for an excuse like a bitch on heat? You've lost me there.
This message board is for opinions to be aired. If you don't agree with me then that's fine, I can just about live with that but please talk some sense and put a little fact behind your statement.
I know people that stand in block B and have done since 95 when the Holmesdale was built. They still stand there as they love to stand, sing and enjoy the atmosphere. I am recovering from an operation and cannot stand for more than ten minutes without unbearable pain at the moment otherwise I'd still be there or close to it now.
I think the HF do a great job of keeping the singing going and adding to the atmosphere and have said as much many times. What my friends object to (and I have witnessed what they are talking about) is HF members trying to dictate what songs to sing, when to sing them, refusing to join in with a song they didn't start and being told they shouldn't be in that area as its for 'HF only'. This is for me where it crosses the line. After all we are all fans of the same team and should surely be united in our support.
It is my belief and my opinion that Crystal Palace Football Club was here for a hundred years befor the HF and will probably still be there long after they are no longer the 'in' club to be in. They offer AMAZING support at times but some of them need to remember we are all fans of the same club.

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