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laddo london 26 Jan 14 7.53am | |
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It is obvious Tony Pulis has done a great job since coming in. However, if he wants Matthew Etherington (32) and Peter Crouch (33+) then I for one applaud the board for not sanctioning those transfers. Pulis would have been reassured about having money to spend. I absolutely believe that side of the story. However, the board have consistently said that they would only buy players with sell on value. They will also not be put over a barrel regarding wages. That ladies and gentlemen is sensible, long term, sound financial management. I amazes me that given our history some on this board demand we gamble our future. Ultimately I want success. I am also fickle in that I love seeing a signing come in. That said I try to keep a lid on it and remember that we are 16th in the league due to the team spirit that has been created by Pulis. I have no doubt we will sign some players in this window. And if we don't? Well, I trust the board to make those difficult calls about wages and transfer fees. If I have one criticism there may well indeed be too many chiefs at the moment. However Pulis knew that structure was in place when he joined. If he is grumpy about it now then quite frankly he has no reason to be.
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black eagle. south croydon. 26 Jan 14 8.32am | |
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Quote laddo at 26 Jan 2014 7.53am
It is obvious Tony Pulis has done a great job since coming in. However, if he wants Matthew Etherington (32) and Peter Crouch (33+) then I for one applaud the board for not sanctioning those transfers. Pulis would have been reassured about having money to spend. I absolutely believe that side of the story. However, the board have consistently said that they would only buy players with sell on value. They will also not be put over a barrel regarding wages. That ladies and gentlemen is sensible, long term, sound financial management. I amazes me that given our history some on this board demand we gamble our future. Ultimately I want success. I am also fickle in that I love seeing a signing come in. That said I try to keep a lid on it and remember that we are 16th in the league due to the team spirit that has been created by Pulis. I have no doubt we will sign some players in this window. And if we don't? Well, I trust the board to make those difficult calls about wages and transfer fees. If I have one criticism there may well indeed be too many chiefs at the moment. However Pulis knew that structure was in place when he joined. If he is grumpy about it now then quite frankly he has no reason to be.
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Midlands Eagle 26 Jan 14 8.38am | |
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Quote laddo at 26 Jan 2014 7.53am
It is obvious Tony Pulis has done a great job since coming in. However, if he wants Matthew Etherington (32) and Peter Crouch (33+) then I for one applaud the board for not sanctioning those transfers. Pulis would have been reassured about having money to spend. I absolutely believe that side of the story. However, the board have consistently said that they would only buy players with sell on value. They will also not be put over a barrel regarding wages. That ladies and gentlemen is sensible, long term, sound financial management. I amazes me that given our history some on this board demand we gamble our future. If I have one criticism there may well indeed be too many chiefs at the moment. However Pulis knew that structure was in place when he joined. If he is grumpy about it now then quite frankly he has no reason to be. The one thing that we don’t know is the nitty gritty of the discussions between Parish and Pulis that led to Tony Pulis accepting a job that he clearly had reservations about. There was an agreement that the board would make available funding in January for new purchases but was Tony Pulis told that whilst he was being employed for his skills in football management the board who had no footballing background at all would hold the power of veto over players that met his budgetary requirements. Have the board actually come out and said that they would only buy players with a sell on value as if so I think that it’s a ridiculous idea as we are a football club and not commodity traders. Was the huge fee paid for Dwight Gayle paid on the basis that he would have a sell on value as whilst he undoubtedly does, it’s nowhere near what we paid for him and he isn’t good enough to play in the Premiership but that’s what you get when you have the commodity traders mindset in a football club Not being put over a barrel in terms of wages is a sound idea and good business practice but it depends on what they view as a decent wage level. It appears from all of the players that turned us down (allegedly) in both the closed season and in the January window that our wage scale is not a Premiership wage scale at all but is set (probably) at The Championship. It’s a bit like joining the most expensive golf club in the area and then constantly complaining about the costs of membership. Your comment about there being too many chiefs is interesting as whilst the structure may have been explained to Tony Pulis before he took the job we don’t know that the supposed structure is actually working. Dor a start Iain Moody is supposed to be negotiating with the players on Tony Pulis’s wanted list but I suspect that isn’t happening and secondly with the best will in the world I don’t suppose he realised that the club’s chairman wanted to have the last word on almost everything. A common question asked on this forum is surely you would rather have our owners than those that own Cardiff or Hull. Well my answer is that I’m not sure that I do as Hull and Cardiff may have issues with their colours and strips but both owners have backed their club and it’s managers fully with the necessary funding and don’t interfere with the running of the clubs
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miles18 Telford 26 Jan 14 8.41am | |
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Probably not true as it's the mirror but if it is, I wouldn't blame him. Only a few days left and if we fail to bring in the 3 key players we need then not even Pulis will keep us up.
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collier row eagle romford essex via another galaxy 26 Jan 14 8.45am | |
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Quote Ian J at 26 Jan 2014 8.38am
Quote laddo at 26 Jan 2014 7.53am
It is obvious Tony Pulis has done a great job since coming in. However, if he wants Matthew Etherington (32) and Peter Crouch (33+) then I for one applaud the board for not sanctioning those transfers. Pulis would have been reassured about having money to spend. I absolutely believe that side of the story. However, the board have consistently said that they would only buy players with sell on value. They will also not be put over a barrel regarding wages. That ladies and gentlemen is sensible, long term, sound financial management. I amazes me that given our history some on this board demand we gamble our future. If I have one criticism there may well indeed be too many chiefs at the moment. However Pulis knew that structure was in place when he joined. If he is grumpy about it now then quite frankly he has no reason to be. The one thing that we don’t know is the nitty gritty of the discussions between Parish and Pulis that led to Tony Pulis accepting a job that he clearly had reservations about. There was an agreement that the board would make available funding in January for new purchases but was Tony Pulis told that whilst he was being employed for his skills in football management the board who had no footballing background at all would hold the power of veto over players that met his budgetary requirements. Have the board actually come out and said that they would only buy players with a sell on value as if so I think that it’s a ridiculous idea as we are a football club and not commodity traders. Was the huge fee paid for Dwight Gayle paid on the basis that he would have a sell on value as whilst he undoubtedly does, it’s nowhere near what we paid for him and he isn’t good enough to play in the Premiership but that’s what you get when you have the commodity traders mindset in a football club Not being put over a barrel in terms of wages is a sound idea and good business practice but it depends on what they view as a decent wage level. It appears from all of the players that turned us down (allegedly) in both the closed season and in the January window that our wage scale is not a Premiership wage scale at all but is set (probably) at The Championship. It’s a bit like joining the most expensive golf club in the area and then constantly complaining about the costs of membership. Your comment about there being too many chiefs is interesting as whilst the structure may have been explained to Tony Pulis before he took the job we don’t know that the supposed structure is actually working. Dor a start Iain Moody is supposed to be negotiating with the players on Tony Pulis’s wanted list but I suspect that isn’t happening and secondly with the best will in the world I don’t suppose he realised that the club’s chairman wanted to have the last word on almost everything. A common question asked on this forum is surely you would rather have our owners than those that own Cardiff or Hull. Well my answer is that I’m not sure that I do as Hull and Cardiff may have issues with their colours and strips but both owners have backed their club and it’s managers fully with the necessary funding and don’t interfere with the running of the clubs
A couple. Of good posts from you Ian, couldn't disagree with any of it.
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Sparky Southampton 26 Jan 14 8.49am | |
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Isn't this from the same paper that was reporting a few days ago that Pulis wasn't happy that Parish was going on holiday? That story was exposed as bullsh*t so now they've gone from saying that Parish wasn't involved enough to reporting that he's too involved. More very poor, lazy journalism.
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Midlands Eagle 26 Jan 14 8.50am | |
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Quote collier row eagle at 26 Jan 2014 8.45am
A couple. Of good posts from you Ian, couldn't disagree with any of it. Thank you but many will
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Midlands Eagle 26 Jan 14 8.53am | |
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Quote Sparky at 26 Jan 2014 8.49am
More very poor, lazy journalism. It always is when the story doesn't show Palace in a good light but it's only when the stories are positive that the journalists know what they are talking about
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Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 26 Jan 14 8.54am | |
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I'm amazed that people are still believing this rumour. If push ever does come to shove in the summer, god forbid we dont get lumbered with a manager who spends our parachute payments on crap.
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Sparky Southampton 26 Jan 14 9.02am | |
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Quote Ian J at 26 Jan 2014 8.53am
Quote Sparky at 26 Jan 2014 8.49am
More very poor, lazy journalism. It always is when the story doesn't show Palace in a good light but it's only when the stories are positive that the journalists know what they are talking about For me it's not so much about the bias of the story, more that it pretty much directly contradicts what they've previously printed. Both pieces appear to be completely speculative with no indication of any evidence on which they've been written. Hence my reference to lazy journalism.
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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 26 Jan 14 9.04am | |
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if he quits then we dont have to pay up his contract...thats fine by me. i know he is doing a good job,but i still prefer the owners choice of player signings over his. at the end of the day...this is the 1st time in my lifetime (bar el tel) that weve actually had a big name manager at the club, its good, but you are bound to have more situations like this as a by product of employing such manager. if he wants to bitch & moan then let him...in a weeks time he cant do anything about it and has to get on with his job for the rest of the season.
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MonsterMunch Cambridge 26 Jan 14 9.17am | |
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Quote braunstoneagle at 26 Jan 2014 9.04am
if he quits then we dont have to pay up his contract...thats fine by me. i know he is doing a good job,but i still prefer the owners choice of player signings over his. at the end of the day...this is the 1st time in my lifetime (bar el tel) that weve actually had a big name manager at the club, its good, but you are bound to have more situations like this as a by product of employing such manager. if he wants to bitch & moan then let him...in a weeks time he cant do anything about it and has to get on with his job for the rest of the season. Crazy. Over TP, an experienced PL Manager. I fear this rings true though, SP has far too much input into the players TP wants. Have a budget for transfer fees and wages and let him get in with it. If TP does not get players in he feels are the ones he wants and not the closing down sales SP visited last time then TP will be gone anyway IMO
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