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The Dolphin 04 Jan 23 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am no fan of local councils and their employees. It's where you go to let your CV quietly die. But let's not forget they are overseen by the NAO, ombudsman and directly by Parliament Also remember that local authorities don't have the ability to fully fund themselves and rely on central government grants that keep getting radically cut, especially if it involves a non-Conservative controlled council. Weirdly enough it often works the other way.
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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 23 1.28pm | |
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More evidence that the lockdowns (I agree that the first one can be argued for) and its associated paid stay home policies for millions was bad policy and in my opinion economically criminal.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 23 2.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
OK sleepy head. Who took us down the disastrous path of Brexit, then did nothing to ameliorate the damage? Just made it worse with deals like the Australian one that is a nightmare for UK farming. Have you tried importing or exporting anything recently?And overspent madly on PPE having allowed stocks to go out of date. Have broken our education system which now relies massively on NQTs. And our NHS which can’t get staff. There is so much they have broken. Look at UK productivity. And look at both consumer confidence and trust in politicians. It truly is hard to imagine a worse performance. We are even miles behind on vaccinations despite our strong natural initial advantage And by the way only old people can remember a Labour Government. You can’t claim things would be worse, this is a completely new group of people. It’s a shame more conservative MPs aren’t women, maybe they’d be less full of testosterone and more caring. Currently 25% compared to labour’s 52%. If I thought that Labour could fix any of this, I'd vote for them You know full well that they won't. You cannot just fix the fall out from a pandemic and you can't just ignore what mass immigration is doing to this country, what ever the claimed benefits. The NHS is one victim of that. It has to cater for more and more people, including an increasingly ageing population. It is also expected to cover a wider range of services. Right now we have huge numbers of ill people and despite that, nurses are striking for a ridiculous pay increase. This government has ploughed huge amounts of money to fund health care, and yet somehow they are to blame for its problems. The mostly Left wing media is largely responsible for this government's unpopularity.
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Mapletree Croydon 04 Jan 23 2.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The mostly Left wing media is largely responsible for this government's unpopularity. Really? You think the media is left wing? Try looking at who owns and runs it. And before you scream BBC, it is run by an extremely right wing ex Whitgiftian. In any case, the Government doesn't need the media to make it unpopular. Everyone has a reason to hate some what the Governments have been doing for at least the last 12 years, they just recently managed to build up to a dramatic crescendo in the most recent years. But hey, don't worry about all of the data available that shows we are in a far worse mess than we should be, you just carry on reading the Daily Mail. And as for Labour would do a worse job. If so why do the Conservatives keep adopting Labour policies, but generally too late to do any good.
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georgenorman 04 Jan 23 2.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? You think the media is left wing? Try looking at who owns and runs it. And before you scream BBC, it is run by an extremely right wing ex Whitgiftian. In any case, the Government doesn't need the media to make it unpopular. Everyone has a reason to hate some what the Governments have been doing for at least the last 12 years, they just recently managed to build up to a dramatic crescendo in the most recent years. But hey, don't worry about all of the data available that shows we are in a far worse mess than we should be, you just carry on reading the Daily Mail. And as for Labour would do a worse job. If so why do the Conservatives keep adopting Labour policies, but generally too late to do any good. All governments, at all levels, of all leanings, are pretty useless. The best you can hope for is a party that will do the least governing.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Jan 23 2.46pm | |
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An unpopular government past its sell-by date failing polices what does it do to win the next election. It introduces popular opposition policies stealthily so that by the time of the next election there is no real need to change.
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Glazier#1 04 Jan 23 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If I thought that Labour could fix any of this, I'd vote for them You know full well that they won't. You cannot just fix the fall out from a pandemic and you can't just ignore what mass immigration is doing to this country, what ever the claimed benefits. The NHS is one victim of that. It has to cater for more and more people, including an increasingly ageing population. It is also expected to cover a wider range of services. Right now we have huge numbers of ill people and despite that, nurses are striking for a ridiculous pay increase. This government has ploughed huge amounts of money to fund health care, and yet somehow they are to blame for its problems. The mostly Left wing media is largely responsible for this government's unpopularity. Now I've heard everything. Do you only have one eye?!?! The Sun, Express, Telegraph, Mail, are right wing without a shadow. So who are the droves of left-wing media driving government criticism? Obviously you'll quote BBC, with which I, along with many, many others would disagree. ITV? Edited by Glazier#1 (04 Jan 2023 4.07pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 23 5.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
Now I've heard everything. Do you only have one eye?!?! The Sun, Express, Telegraph, Mail, are right wing without a shadow. So who are the droves of left-wing media driving government criticism? Obviously you'll quote BBC, with which I, along with many, many others would disagree. ITV? Edited by Glazier#1 (04 Jan 2023 4.07pm) I can't be bothered to debate with someone who still pretends that the media is not full of left wing bias.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 23 6.04pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
An unpopular government past its sell-by date failing polices what does it do to win the next election. It introduces popular opposition policies stealthily so that by the time of the next election there is no real need to change. There is no doubt that politics goes in cycles. Labour will get a shot at the title a little sooner than most thought, but then, it is not particularly surprising when consider what has happened in recent years. I said ages ago that Sunak was a Tony Blair clone but even more slimy, and he was demonstrating that perfectly today. With Labour being a waste of space, it seems clear that people who are not tragically wed to their pet Parties should vote Reform, especially if Farage is involved.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Jan 23 6.05pm | |
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At least Sunak covered all the important stuff in his speech. What a leader, what a government.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 23 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? You think the media is left wing? Try looking at who owns and runs it. And before you scream BBC, it is run by an extremely right wing ex Whitgiftian. In any case, the Government doesn't need the media to make it unpopular. Everyone has a reason to hate some what the Governments have been doing for at least the last 12 years, they just recently managed to build up to a dramatic crescendo in the most recent years. But hey, don't worry about all of the data available that shows we are in a far worse mess than we should be, you just carry on reading the Daily Mail. And as for Labour would do a worse job. If so why do the Conservatives keep adopting Labour policies, but generally too late to do any good. I don't read the Daily Mail or any other piece of crap tabloid. This government is clearly losing the media battle. It has been beset with infighting and instability. It has ousted an electoral winner and replaced him with people who cannot win the next election. I may well vote Reform next time, depending on whether they actually get their act together in the meantime.
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MrWhyNot 04 Jan 23 6.40pm | |
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