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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 19 12.08am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
According to both CBS and NBC Trump’s favourable rating was 33% in 2016. Didn’t make any difference did it? I didn't say it did. All it says it how people say they think at any given moment in time. How they vote may well be different but until then it's the best indicator of sentiment that we have. Much better than any claims by Trump himself. As the only relevant comparison is how other Presidents had performed at this point in their Presidency and the 538 site provides these. None were as unpopular as Trump. Not one. Both Bushes, Kennedy and Eisenhower were all over 50% for all that time. Johnson and even Nixon only dropped below for a few days. So to look at a whole 8 year term is misleading at best and a disingenuous distortion at worst. Not that seems to stop some from posting it. Right now we can only guess at what Trump's record would look like if he survived the full 8 years but on current performance it doesn't look promising.
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Teddy Eagle  31 Dec 19 12.29am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't say it did. All it says it how people say they think at any given moment in time. How they vote may well be different but until then it's the best indicator of sentiment that we have. Much better than any claims by Trump himself. As the only relevant comparison is how other Presidents had performed at this point in their Presidency and the 538 site provides these. None were as unpopular as Trump. Not one. Both Bushes, Kennedy and Eisenhower were all over 50% for all that time. Johnson and even Nixon only dropped below for a few days. So to look at a whole 8 year term is misleading at best and a disingenuous distortion at worst. Not that seems to stop some from posting it. Right now we can only guess at what Trump's record would look like if he survived the full 8 years but on current performance it doesn't look promising. You’re using poll data to prove his lack of popularity. All I’m saying is that polls said he was unpopular before the election. He still won. And he probably will again.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Dec 19 6.36am |
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I'll modify my previous comment - before America changed radically due to idiocy on immigration US presidents regularly enjoyed high ratings over fifty. That said this should be seen in the light of war time and frequently high tensions in the cold war. However, in the modern era Obama averaged 47.9 and Trump is less popular at a 42.6 current average since the presidency started. That said, with white Americans Trump is more popular and that demographic would have been the much higher majority voting for most presidents of the past. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Dec 2019 10.40am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 19 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You’re using poll data to prove his lack of popularity. All I’m saying is that polls said he was unpopular before the election. He still won. And he probably will again. I am not disputing that. Elections introduce many different considerations not least being who is the opposition candidate and their own relative unpopularity. Add in the increasing impact of the non truth social media as the source of many voters "information" and we face unpredictable situations quite unlike those in the past. Which I think is quite a concern. When a politician shows a consistent 10 point gap between those who approve of him and those who disapprove, yet still can be elected, something doesn't feel right. That says to me that the well of information is being poisoned. It also stresses the vital importance for the Democrats to choose a solid, reliable, trustworthy and likeable character to represent them in a much more collegiate way than in the divisive politics of the recent past.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Dec 19 10.42am |
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Some fools can pitch up right beside a coffee shop, yet they still can't smell it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 19 4.53pm |
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Some fools can sit alone and not realise it's their arse that smells.
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| Teddy Eagle 31 Dec 19 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Some fools can sit alone and not realise it's their arse that smells. If your nose runs and your feet smell......
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| Teddy Eagle 31 Dec 19 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not disputing that. Elections introduce many different considerations not least being who is the opposition candidate and their own relative unpopularity. Add in the increasing impact of the non truth social media as the source of many voters "information" and we face unpredictable situations quite unlike those in the past. Which I think is quite a concern. When a politician shows a consistent 10 point gap between those who approve of him and those who disapprove, yet still can be elected, something doesn't feel right. That says to me that the well of information is being poisoned. It also stresses the vital importance for the Democrats to choose a solid, reliable, trustworthy and likeable character to represent them in a much more collegiate way than in the divisive politics of the recent past. Ah, but which well? I have no evidence but suspect opinion polls don’t include many trailer parks, rural areas or public housing buildings.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Dec 19 5.05pm |
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A loser concerning Trump Disgusting views on the circumstances around the rape of thousands of white working class girls. Just a disgusting individual.....so it's appropriate that he refers to smelly arses. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Dec 2019 5.06pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 19 8.05pm |
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It just proves how our perceptions are so very different these days and how this has resulted in such huge political divisions that we can come to totally opposing conclusions. Here are mine:- Trump, and those who continue to believe he is a benefit to the USA and the world, are not just losers. They are deluded. The Mueller report is very far from lost. It has been temporarily stymied by the DoJ. The truth will always triumph. It just needs time. Brexit is a mistake. As a result we are ALL losers. Not just those who voted against it. Johnson is PM solely because of the weakness of the opposition. They were the one's who lost the election, Johnson didn't win it. People like me told them that well before the start of the campaign. Given sufficient time the cold hard truth will dawn on people just how bad our current political situation really is. Views on the crimes committed by the grooming gangs, and how they should be handled, has been patiently explained several times and need not be repeated. That this is once again misrepresented only raises questions about what the motivation in doing so really is. Given the attitudes currently being debated in these threads, the references to internet memes, the "white" race, it's problems and suggested solutions, etc etc, leads me once again to question how people are forming these odious opinions. Something that the OP also asked and for which I suggested answers. I have little doubt where that odour is coming from and not the slightest worry it might be from my direction.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Jan 20 12.41am |
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There's no misrepresenting of this guy and I'll never tire of highlighting why I view him as I do....giving the most serious issue. He's on these boards defending the response of the Police in keeping the rapes of thousands of white working class girls quiet. This wasn't one foolish throwaway comment.....He engaged in a long thread repeatedly defending this position. He said that he himself heard something about this situation twenty years ago. Under a barrage of criticism he later.....later altered this to the Police 'may have made mistakes' that they may learn from. Well, those were positions he defended....long after these services were highly criticised.....and we are still living in a situation where these rapes are continuing on a systematic basis and people similar to this still defending its quietening. Absolutely appalling and something he gets no pass on. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jan 2020 12.43am)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 01 Jan 20 8.34am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Some fools can sit alone and not realise it's their arse that smells. so it was you i sat next to in truro last week
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