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.TUX. 24 Oct 16 9.42pm | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
This is a good appraisal of the downside of qe TUX and i dont disagree with it. William Hagues points are all relevant. If we solve a debt crisis by borrowing more just doesnt sound right. If central banks keep IR low this can only be negative for savers (mostly old people) and good for younger people who are able to borrow money cheaply. I only disagree when apportioning blame onto politicians. I know we all like to blame them for everything but they are not responsible for central bank (bofe or Fed) policy so cant impact monetary policy (IR, QE or money supply). And the flipside of not having low IR QE or increased money supply could have meant we entered a huge 1930s style depression after the financial crisis. The above policies weaken currencies and people on here have argued this is a positive for the uk after brexit but again the flipside is that the Uk economy has plunged by 17% in us$ terms. With total uk gdp of 2.8trillion,this has effectively cost the uk economy £476billion....which might be good for international property buyers (i.e elites) buying up our already short supply of housing at a discount but poor uk citizens will shoulder the burden...we can again blame politicians for this loss but all the main political parties (except UKIP and DUP) did not support this collapse. I believe we already have, though it's not 'hit the streets' just yet.
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JohnyBoy 24 Oct 16 9.51pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I believe we already have, though it's not 'hit the streets' just yet. Again i agree with your comments, easy moneary policy just means that real wealth passes from the poorest to the richest in society. Interest rates were reduced further and qe increased after brexit so the damage on the poor and older members of society is set to get worse.
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jeeagles 26 Oct 16 10.20pm | |
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Changing the subject slightly but sticking to Brexit related news. Adding to that the Tory's are trying to reignite the economy by investing in the biggest infrastructure building campaign since the Victorians. However, the construction industry is at full capacity. There's a shortage of staff at all levels in particular Engineers. So to do it, we are going to need more imigratuon. Still it could be worse... They could be UKIP.
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 27 Oct 16 6.46am | |
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Edited by Henry of Peckham (27 Oct 2016 11.18pm)
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carlonoil Naples 27 Oct 16 8.06am | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
Again i agree with your comments, easy moneary policy just means that real wealth passes from the poorest to the richest in society. Interest rates were reduced further and qe increased after brexit so the damage on the poor and older members of society is set to get worse. So following the glorious revolution, everything will be great, poverty will be abolished, everyone will be exactly equal, all sections of society will merge as of one and get on together and everyone will live happily for ever after?
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Oct 16 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Would losing access to the EU market, higher prices for foodstuffs, higher inflation, higher unemployment, tens of billions lost in tax revenues, having less security, more pollution in our seas and rivers, and one or two other negative things that will almost certainly happen in the years after Brexit, perhaps make you question the wisdom of your choice to Leave? Sorry kerm old fruit that is the biggest load of sensationalist buffoonery I have ever read on these boards, and I include some of the absolute drivel written in Palace Talk !! We catorgorically will not lose access to the EU Market as to bar us would mean the EU would almost certainly collapse without our imports from it. higher prices for food stuffs ? honestly where do you get this drivel have you been reading comrade Gussett's links again ? Lost tax revenues ? name me one Giant of commerce whose decided to leave the UK because of the EU vote. ? Again more biased nonsense masquerading as fact. Less Security ( a subject close to my heart as you well know) we will remain as we have for years one of the major players in NATO, Brexit has nowt to do with that, as for our security services suffering because of Brexit ??? Ask yourself this when was the last large scale terror attack on the mainland ? Then compare that time scale to continental Europe. We are light years ahead of our EU cousins in counter intelligence as we have been dealing with it successfully since the 60's.
Sorry Buddy but your entire post is anti Brexit hogwash
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JohnyBoy 27 Oct 16 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
So following the glorious revolution, everything will be great, poverty will be abolished, everyone will be exactly equal, all sections of society will merge as of one and get on together and everyone will live happily for ever after? I didnt say that and would not be supportive of a socialist revolution, just the d8vide between rich and poor is widening, which imo will snap back to socialism once people have had enough....it wont cure the problems though
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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 16 9.41am | |
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It doesn't really matter whether the UK voted for Remain or Exit from the EU. What really matters is how we manage that, and project the future for the UK from that exit. An exit will have some pretty serious implications, but there may very well be some significant benefits. It all really depends on what you consider 'implications' and 'benefits'. Stay or leave is relatively meaningless.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 16 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Sorry kerm old fruit that is the biggest load of sensationalist buffoonery I have ever read on these boards, and I include some of the absolute drivel written in Palace Talk !! We catorgorically will not lose access to the EU Market as to bar us would mean the EU would almost certainly collapse without our imports from it. higher prices for food stuffs ? honestly where do you get this drivel have you been reading comrade Gussett's links again ? Lost tax revenues ? name me one Giant of commerce whose decided to leave the UK because of the EU vote. ? Again more biased nonsense masquerading as fact. Less Security ( a subject close to my heart as you well know) we will remain as we have for years one of the major players in NATO, Brexit has nowt to do with that, as for our security services suffering because of Brexit ??? Ask yourself this when was the last large scale terror attack on the mainland ? Then compare that time scale to continental Europe. We are light years ahead of our EU cousins in counter intelligence as we have been dealing with it successfully since the 60's.
Sorry Buddy but your entire post is anti Brexit hogwash Bit of a side note, but its NATO really all that significant in terms of security of the UK anyhow. The UK is a major part of NATO but I've never really seen it as part of UK security but something that's more about European security, to which the UK contributes. In terms of counter-intelligence and anti-terrorism - The UK is not only well ahead of Europe, its more or less the bench mark. Probably only the Germans come close (domestically very good, internationally less so). The UK is exceptionally good, not so much at 'obtaining intelligence' but at how its distributed throughout the UK security services.
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carlonoil Naples 27 Oct 16 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It doesn't really matter whether the UK voted for Remain or Exit from the EU. What really matters is how we manage that, and project the future for the UK from that exit. An exit will have some pretty serious implications, but there may very well be some significant benefits. It all really depends on what you consider 'implications' and 'benefits'. Stay or leave is relatively meaningless. It is not meaningless at all. We cannot manage the country in our own interests while being a member of the EU.
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carlonoil Naples 27 Oct 16 11.36am | |
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Nissan just announced they will build two new models in Sunderland - I blame Brexit.
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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 27 Oct 16 12.23pm | |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
Nissan just announced they will build two new models in Sunderland - I blame Brexit.
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