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 Spiderman  Horsham 24 Mar 24 3.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We just don’t have them “all the time”! It’s undoubtedly true that collectively journalists tend to be more socially aware than others and that this tends to mean they are more likely to hold left of centre views than right. That’s just the nature of the profession, what it requires and what it brings. It doesn’t mean that professionals cannot be professional in their business life. My friend who worked for both the Express and the Mail was always a socialist in his personal life but a consummate professional in his business life. Perhaps the BBC presenter should have been a consummate professional and remembered that they/ she/he/it presented a CHILDRENS SHOW and not got involved. An alleged doctor denying scientific facts, how dangerous Edited by Spiderman (24 Mar 2024 4.02pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Mar 24 7.47pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Perhaps the BBC presenter should have been a consummate professional and remembered that they/ she/he/it presented a CHILDRENS SHOW and not got involved. An alleged doctor denying scientific facts, how dangerous Edited by Spiderman (24 Mar 2024 4.02pm) I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied. I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share. Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied. I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share. Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count! Can you provide your list of reports that do count?
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Mar 24 8.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied. I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share. Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count! Never seen it, if you won’t accept the statement scientific facts , how about evidence based care for children? Unless you think giving children puberty blockers is acceptable?. So the Mail never print anything truthful? Who does then? Let us know Edited by Spiderman (25 Mar 2024 9.00am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 9.07am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Can you provide your list of reports that do count? No. Only actually seeing the discussion in full in its context could provide an ability to reach an objective assessment. Any kind of report is liable to miss something or include bias. So I am always sceptical.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Never seen it, if you won’t accept the statement scientific facts , how about evidence based care for children? Unless you think giving children puberty blockers is acceptable?. So the Mail never print anything truthful? Who does then? Let us know Edited by Spiderman (25 Mar 2024 9.00am) It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive. I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us.
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| silvertop Portishead 25 Mar 24 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We just don’t have them “all the time”! It’s undoubtedly true that collectively journalists tend to be more socially aware than others and that this tends to mean they are more likely to hold left of centre views than right. That’s just the nature of the profession, what it requires and what it brings. It doesn’t mean that professionals cannot be professional in their business life. My friend who worked for both the Express and the Mail was always a socialist in his personal life but a consummate professional in his business life. Yup, and a mate of mine writes for the M-on-S and says the same. The leader writers are all ex public school and of the colour of the paper. But the actual journos are all red to the core.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Mar 24 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive. I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us. CBBC presenter, is that not BBC?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
CBBC presenter, is that not BBC? It is. I was confusing two stories. Apologies.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 24 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive. I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us. That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Mar 24 11.48am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council. Good post. Although I won’t hold my breath about them being let go
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 11.48am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council. Unfortunately, lunatic fringes exist. Off both the left, right and highly motivated. That's why the cool heads of the medical council, and related organisations, exist. To take the heat out and look only at the facts.
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