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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 19 5.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But not be be credited for any improvement. Seems a bit contradictory. What then is your opinion of the Republican party, both in the House and the Senate, in the past 3 years? It seems to me that instead of being a co-equal branch of government, as mandated by the constitution, they are determined to act as altar boys for Trump.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Dec 19 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What then is your opinion of the Republican party, both in the House and the Senate, in the past 3 years? It seems to me that instead of being a co-equal branch of government, as mandated by the constitution, they are determined to act as altar boys for Trump. It’s possible they agree with the party line without any coercion required.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 19 5.26pm | |
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I doubt it will escaped anyone's notice, excepting perhaps just one regular poster, that Mrs Thatcher wasn't President of the USA. She wasn't even President of the UK, much as she might have liked to have been. She was our PM, with markedly different responsibilities in a totally different political system which functions in a much smaller economy than does the USA. Smaller economies, like smaller ships, can turn round quicker but still need time to react to stimuli. UK PM's have a greater economic influence than US Presidents do. In my opinion at least! Mrs Thatcher was of her time. There was much to admire in her. She oversaw some very much needed changes and instilled discipline. Some of those changes produced good results whilst others were more questionable but they all took some time to really be felt. Quelling inflation and union power by raising interest rates and cutting public spending produced a recession and then a boom. Whether this was all worth it divides opinion. Soaring house prices which mean the young can no longer as easily afford to get on the housing ladder as my generation could is not a good thing for a fair, cohesive, society. The divisions we see today can all be linked to those days.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 19 6.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I doubt it will escaped anyone's notice, excepting perhaps just one regular poster, that Mrs Thatcher wasn't President of the USA. She wasn't even President of the UK, much as she might have liked to have been. She was our PM, with markedly different responsibilities in a totally different political system which functions in a much smaller economy than does the USA. Smaller economies, like smaller ships, can turn round quicker but still need time to react to stimuli. UK PM's have a greater economic influence than US Presidents do. In my opinion at least! Mrs Thatcher was of her time. There was much to admire in her. She oversaw some very much needed changes and instilled discipline. Some of those changes produced good results whilst others were more questionable but they all took some time to really be felt. Quelling inflation and union power by raising interest rates and cutting public spending produced a recession and then a boom. Whether this was all worth it divides opinion. Soaring house prices which mean the young can no longer as easily afford to get on the housing ladder as my generation could is not a good thing for a fair, cohesive, society. The divisions we see today can all be linked to those days. Fair dont cut it.
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 19 7.14pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Fair dont cut it. We should be debating people with more 'malleable' minds. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2019 7.15pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 19 7.56pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Fair dont cut it. I don't know whether you have noticed but many family units only have one wage earner at best. the growth of the rental market for young people has been very marked. You simply cannot blame this on the "feckless and work shy" who I accept exist and who don't need our sympathy but do need some tough love to get them moving. I am not suggesting that using hindsight helps other than it teaching us not what to do again. I am not attaching blame as I am quite sure these things were done with a sincere belief that they were for the best. Some were, whilst others had unintended and unfortunate consequences. Of course economies aren't just a UK thing. They just operate differently in different countries and under different political systems. As this thread is about Trump it was the US economy that was my focus. Not the UK.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 19 9.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know whether you have noticed but many family units only have one wage earner at best. the growth of the rental market for young people has been very marked. You simply cannot blame this on the "feckless and work shy" who I accept exist and who don't need our sympathy but do need some tough love to get them moving. I am not suggesting that using hindsight helps other than it teaching us not what to do again. I am not attaching blame as I am quite sure these things were done with a sincere belief that they were for the best. Some were, whilst others had unintended and unfortunate consequences. Of course economies aren't just a UK thing. They just operate differently in different countries and under different political systems. As this thread is about Trump it was the US economy that was my focus. Not the UK. You mentioned the iron lady and unions, not me.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 19 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You mentioned the iron lady and unions, not me. It wasn't either of us who introduced Thatcher into this Trump thread. Decisions made by leaders have pretty instant results normally. That's simply untrue. When laws are changed they need to secure Parliamentary approval and Royal assent. When anything changes there is almost always a time lag between implementation and any effect. Trump has put China to bed and helped the usa big style. That is a wildly optimistic appraisal. What the mid to long term consequences of this strategy is really unclear as it could have many different outcomes. Even short term there are many in the USA who would disagree with you. It isn't China who pays the increased tariffs. It's the US consumer who either accepts the higher prices or goes without.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 19 11.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Check your 5.26pm post about the iron lady.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Dec 19 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Check your 5.26pm post about the iron lady. Check the 2.00 post from the usual suspect. That's when Thatcher crept into this thread.
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cryrst The garden of England 30 Dec 19 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Check the 2.00 post from the usual suspect. That's when Thatcher crept into this thread. You planned that
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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 19 11.16am | |
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Yeah, you see, if you're a British PM you can affect the British economy. But if you're the US President apparently you can't affect the US economy. It's beyond parody.
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