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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 19 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So are the unemployment and balance of trade statistics. Of course they are but the reasons behind them aren't. Those are matters of opinion and are subject to political spin and distortion which even his greatest supporter will acknowledge are arts that Trump frequently employs.
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dannyboy1978 27 Dec 19 6.33pm | |
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Would it be fair to say Obama was happy to just let trade carry on to keep things easy or did trump take on China to make things better.
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Teddy Eagle 27 Dec 19 7.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course they are but the reasons behind them aren't. Those are matters of opinion and are subject to political spin and distortion which even his greatest supporter will acknowledge are arts that Trump frequently employs. Let’s see if he gets any credit IF he’s re-elected and IF these figures continue to improve.
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Stirlingsays 28 Dec 19 4.36pm | |
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Wages rising at their fastest rate for more than a decade. Kind of scratching my head on how this is Obama's work from over three years ago.....but then if you're just full of hogwash and obsessively non objective I guess you'll claim anything. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2019 4.37pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 19 8.32pm | |
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Presidents have very little to do with economic cycles, although that doesn't stop them claiming credit when positive or blaming others when negative. They tend to preside over them rather than dictate the strategy which creates them. So although there is always a time lag between any impact that impact is marginal. Hogwash? Well then this piece must be. It comes from the conservative leaning National Review and although from 2017 is still relevant:=
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Teddy Eagle 28 Dec 19 8.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Presidents have very little to do with economic cycles, although that doesn't stop them claiming credit when positive or blaming others when negative. They tend to preside over them rather than dictate the strategy which creates them. So although there is always a time lag between any impact that impact is marginal. Hogwash? Well then this piece must be. It comes from the conservative leaning National Review and although from 2017 is still relevant:= But they do have some effect.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 19 9.38pm | |
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"Some" can equal "very little". It all depends on the circumstances. As the piece you referenced makes clear Presidents cannot act alone. They need to bring Congress with them and the make up of Congress varies. The primary point I am trying to make is what the article I referenced supports. That Trump's constant claims are bs and that the electorate have a long history of believing them as they want them to be true. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Dec 2019 9.39pm)
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Teddy Eagle 28 Dec 19 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"Some" can equal "very little". It all depends on the circumstances. As the piece you referenced makes clear Presidents cannot act alone. They need to bring Congress with them and the make up of Congress varies. The primary point I am trying to make is what the article I referenced supports. That Trump's constant claims are bs and that the electorate have a long history of believing them as they want them to be true. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Dec 2019 9.39pm) Personally I’d rather a politician took credit for something that has happened rather than make spurious promises that will never happen.
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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 19 2.00am | |
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The whole concept is so incredibly disingenuous as to be stunningly appropriate for the person making the claim. I lived through watching Labour's economy of 79 be radically altered within years by Thatcher and because some numpties write nonsense at 'national review' this means that apparently wasn't a reality. This guy links to an article written before Trump passed his tax reform and it includes the absurd line: 'But he will crow about that 3.3 percent GDP growth last quarter, and will insist that it is the result of his policies. Which of those policies, I wonder? He may get his tax cut, but, for the moment, Trump has done almost nothing of substance on the economy, and what his administration has done — a bit of excellent regulatory reform — is unlikely to affect growth dramatically in the short term.'
The author's objectivity on Trump? Well this author's latest article for this site is headlined, 'Trump Isn’t a Nazi. He’s a Failure.'.....Sums it all up. Anyway I went looking for the evidence this guy puts forward for his view that politicians don't have dramatic affects on economies? I went looking for it....it's pathetic, it's in the last paragraph it's absolutely nothing but opinion.....duh Bush couldn't have predicted 9/11.....Jesus! Of course global events have an affect on all governments, of course trends matter. However political power shapes the business environment and affects confidence. It doesn't matter which party is in power, it matters who the person is and what their policies are.....the argument that it's a binary is reductionist folly and a strawman template. The economic policies of a President matter.....it's as simple as the nose on your face......Some of us just have longer noses than others and have zero objectivity.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Dec 19 8.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"Some" can equal "very little". It all depends on the circumstances. As the piece you referenced makes clear Presidents cannot act alone. They need to bring Congress with them and the make up of Congress varies. The primary point I am trying to make is what the article I referenced supports. That Trump's constant claims are bs and that the electorate have a long history of believing them as they want them to be true. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Dec 2019 9.39pm) If they cant act alone then all they are blamed for isnt their fault alone.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 19 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If they cant act alone then all they are blamed for isnt their fault alone. Of course not. The sycophantic self serving Republican Senators are every bit as much to blame.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Dec 19 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not. The sycophantic self serving Republican Senators are every bit as much to blame. But not be be credited for any improvement. Seems a bit contradictory.
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