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europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 7.37pm
Originally posted by Willo Have Labour won the election ? Or did they trail the Conservatives by 58 seats and polled less than them ? On that note, it is high time I went down my 'Local' for the odd pint with my wife ! Or should that be a pint with my odd wife ? !!!! It's as good as a win because now the Tories will have to turn to Boris Johnson to lead the party. He was exposed together with Farage as lying to the electorate to push the brexit referendum through. There will be even more younger generation elegible to vote by that time (and even less older as that's nature) and another general election will be on the cards before brexit is anywhere near a done deal.
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Europe 09 Jun 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by Willo

Have Labour won the election ?
Or did they trail the Conservatives by 58 seats and polled less than them ?

On that note, it is high time I went down my 'Local' for the odd pint with my wife ! Or should that be a pint with my odd wife ? !!!!

It's as good as a win because now the Tories will have to turn to Boris Johnson to lead the party. He was exposed together with Farage as lying to the electorate to push the brexit referendum through. There will be even more younger generation elegible to vote by that time (and even less older as that's nature) and another general election will be on the cards before brexit is anywhere near a done deal.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.37pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well. So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election. Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm) Definitely the former. He clearly has ambitions to appeal across the board and wants to achieve a Labour government ASAP
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well.

So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election.

Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm)

Definitely the former. He clearly has ambitions to appeal across the board and wants to achieve a Labour government ASAP

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator. What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting? Let June be the end of May. Religious extremists to boot.
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Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator.

What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting?

Let June be the end of May.

Religious extremists to boot.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 7.40pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Now that the results are virtually all in, what is evident is that c.55% of votes cast were in favour of rejecting austerity. That now is clear and unequivocal. 10 points clear. Theresa May now has no mandate for virtually anything but certainly no mandate for further cuts. This is certainly a victory for those who believe that such policies damage our economy and our vital public services. I'm disappointed Labour didn't win, but it would have been like Lazarus if they had and clearly Corbyn outperformed expectations enormously. Given many seats labour didn't win have gone from safe to marginal another election this year would provide a genuine opportunity for a labour victory and would allow Corbyn to be much more ambitious in targeting those now marginal seats. The DUP are a revolting group of people with a horrible record on women's rights and LGBT equality. Not to mention their links to paramilitary loyalist groups. Not surprised May has handed them the balance of power in what can only be described as a weak and desperate move. Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 09 Jun 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Now that the results are virtually all in, what is evident is that c.55% of votes cast were in favour of rejecting austerity. That now is clear and unequivocal. 10 points clear. Theresa May now has no mandate for virtually anything but certainly no mandate for further cuts. This is certainly a victory for those who believe that such policies damage our economy and our vital public services.

I'm disappointed Labour didn't win, but it would have been like Lazarus if they had and clearly Corbyn outperformed expectations enormously. Given many seats labour didn't win have gone from safe to marginal another election this year would provide a genuine opportunity for a labour victory and would allow Corbyn to be much more ambitious in targeting those now marginal seats.

The DUP are a revolting group of people with a horrible record on women's rights and LGBT equality. Not to mention their links to paramilitary loyalist groups. Not surprised May has handed them the balance of power in what can only be described as a weak and desperate move.

Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well. So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election. Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm) So what is the point I'm missing? You've offered conjecture, yes, but everything I've just said addresses that. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm)

So what is the point I'm missing? You've offered conjecture, yes, but everything I've just said addresses that.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people? What relevance does that have to May getting into bed with the DUP? I'll give you a clue. None. She could have just gone for a minority government but realised the majority of people don't want her policies or her cuts so instead threw her lot in with the DUP. She's a liar and a hypocrite who got what she deserved for her hubris and disdain for the electorate.
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Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people?

What relevance does that have to May getting into bed with the DUP? I'll give you a clue. None. She could have just gone for a minority government but realised the majority of people don't want her policies or her cuts so instead threw her lot in with the DUP. She's a liar and a hypocrite who got what she deserved for her hubris and disdain for the electorate.

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 09 Jun 17 7.47pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Sorry Willo but you must be the only person to believe that. I have some sympathy for her regarding Brexit but She saw an opportunity and went for it. If she was any good it would have been the right decision and she would have won more seats if not the landslide but she came across as awful, hid away from the electorate and just kept repeating the same mantra. If there's not another General Election within the next 6 months I will eat my metaphoric hat So will I. Central Office read the polls along with Number 10 and saw an opportunity which they butchered with an inept campaign. There will be a no confidence vote that will be lost by the Tories and another election which will elect a Labour government either by a small majority or in a coalition with the SNP and/or the LibDems. The price will probably be another Euro referendum. One only has to look at the number of "safe" Tory seats that are now marginal throughout the country. At the outset of this election, pollsters noted that the Tories lead was in part due to gains made in the Northeast that, while substantial, would not be able to turn over some of the safest Labour seats. Add that to the absurd assumption that the UKIP vote would monolithically goto the Tories and it adds up to a total misreading of the political situation. The one place where they were right was Scotland. Otherwise, throughout England and Wales the Tories were caught with their trousers down. Should Kensington come in for Labour, as is being rumoured, even if it is a squeaker (one Scottish constituency was won by SNP by 2 votes), it will complete the snatch and grab raid successfully pulled off by Labour in their goal to become a viable party going forward. Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 09 Jun 17 7.47pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Sorry Willo but you must be the only person to believe that. I have some sympathy for her regarding Brexit but She saw an opportunity and went for it. If she was any good it would have been the right decision and she would have won more seats if not the landslide but she came across as awful, hid away from the electorate and just kept repeating the same mantra.

If there's not another General Election within the next 6 months I will eat my metaphoric hat

So will I. Central Office read the polls along with Number 10 and saw an opportunity which they butchered with an inept campaign. There will be a no confidence vote that will be lost by the Tories and another election which will elect a Labour government either by a small majority or in a coalition with the SNP and/or the LibDems. The price will probably be another Euro referendum.

One only has to look at the number of "safe" Tory seats that are now marginal throughout the country. At the outset of this election, pollsters noted that the Tories lead was in part due to gains made in the Northeast that, while substantial, would not be able to turn over some of the safest Labour seats. Add that to the absurd assumption that the UKIP vote would monolithically goto the Tories and it adds up to a total misreading of the political situation. The one place where they were right was Scotland. Otherwise, throughout England and Wales the Tories were caught with their trousers down. Should Kensington come in for Labour, as is being rumoured, even if it is a squeaker (one Scottish constituency was won by SNP by 2 votes), it will complete the snatch and grab raid successfully pulled off by Labour in their goal to become a viable party going forward.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 7.57pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Religious extremists to boot. Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?
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Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Religious extremists to boot.

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum? Some of them also believe climate change is a "con". They want to take us back to the 70s, and by that I mean the 1770s.
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Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

Some of them also believe climate change is a "con". They want to take us back to the 70s, and by that I mean the 1770s.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum? "I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988. That's how sensible the DUP are. Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

"I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988.

That's how sensible the DUP are.

Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by europalace I expected such a clueless reply, keep going as you seem to be convincing yourself and nobody else. You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by europalace

I expected such a clueless reply, keep going as you seem to be convincing yourself and nobody else.

You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts...

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 8.09pm
Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 09 Jun 17 8.09pm

Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way?

Big chest and massive boobs

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