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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jun 24 3.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So is the fact that the £350 million per week “sent to the EU” wasn’t saved and spent on the NHS. These were political campaigning. That our economy didn’t collapse doesn’t mean there haven’t been impacts. Or that there have been any noticeable benefits, like oven ready” trade deals. Many things are more difficult as any traveller or exporter will tell you. Brexit was always a stupid idea and nothing since has happened to make it seem any less so. Not this old one again. 1. This was a pledge by one part of the Leave campaign, many Leavers including Farage disputed it and it was never government policy. 2. The leave campaign was not the UK government which if you remember rightly was pro Remain. After the referendum that same government was in power as it never made that promise it was not bound by it. 3. Theresa May as PM actually increased the NHS budget by more than £350m so you did get the money. [Link] Sigh. Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 3.54pm) One more point
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Beckenham 05 Jun 24 3.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So is the fact that the £350 million per week “sent to the EU” wasn’t saved and spent on the NHS.

These were political campaigning. That our economy didn’t collapse doesn’t mean there haven’t been impacts. Or that there have been any noticeable benefits, like oven ready” trade deals. Many things are more difficult as any traveller or exporter will tell you.

Brexit was always a stupid idea and nothing since has happened to make it seem any less so.

Not this old one again.

1. This was a pledge by one part of the Leave campaign, many Leavers including Farage disputed it and it was never government policy.
2. The leave campaign was not the UK government which if you remember rightly was pro Remain. After the referendum that same government was in power as it never made that promise it was not bound by it.
3. Theresa May as PM actually increased the NHS budget by more than £350m so you did get the money.

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Sigh.

Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 3.54pm)

One more point

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YT Oxford 05 Jun 24 4.01pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Not this old one again. 1. This was a pledge by one part of the Leave campaign, many Leavers including Farage disputed it and it was never government policy. 2. The leave campaign was not the UK government which if you remember rightly was pro Remain. After the referendum that same government was in power as it never made that promise it was not bound by it. 3. Theresa May as PM actually increased the NHS budget by more than £350m so you did get the money. Sigh. Precisely. People like Wisbech seem incapable of understanding how a referendum works, or in my view doesn't work. Anyone 'campaigning' in a referendum can promise whatever they like as they hold no accountability. Most or all of it will never happen. Parliament had ample opportunity to vote for a 'softer' Brexit, but all Corbyn's Labour and the SNP were interested in was bringing down the government. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 05 Jun 24 4.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Not this old one again.

Sigh.

Precisely. People like Wisbech seem incapable of understanding how a referendum works, or in my view doesn't work. Anyone 'campaigning' in a referendum can promise whatever they like as they hold no accountability. Most or all of it will never happen. Parliament had ample opportunity to vote for a 'softer' Brexit, but all Corbyn's Labour and the SNP were interested in was bringing down the government.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 4.22pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Not this old one again. 1. This was a pledge by one part of the Leave campaign, many Leavers including Farage disputed it and it was never government policy. 2. The leave campaign was not the UK government which if you remember rightly was pro Remain. After the referendum that same government was in power as it never made that promise it was not bound by it. 3. Theresa May as PM actually increased the NHS budget by more than £350m so you did get the money. [Link] Sigh. Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 3.54pm) It was campaigning. Just as I, and your link, pointed out. Governments always tend to increase NHS funding. Inflation and developments in health care tend to necessitate that. Now let’s hear about how Brexit has benefitted us as a country and as individuals. We have taken back control. Of what exactly? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 4.22pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Not this old one again.

[Link]

Sigh.

Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 3.54pm)

It was campaigning. Just as I, and your link, pointed out.

Governments always tend to increase NHS funding. Inflation and developments in health care tend to necessitate that.

Now let’s hear about how Brexit has benefitted us as a country and as individuals. We have taken back control. Of what exactly?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 4.28pm
Originally posted by YT Precisely. People like Wisbech seem incapable of understanding how a referendum works, or in my view doesn't work. Anyone 'campaigning' in a referendum can promise whatever they like as they hold no accountability. Most or all of it will never happen. Parliament had ample opportunity to vote for a 'softer' Brexit, but all Corbyn's Labour and the SNP were interested in was bringing down the government. If you actually read my posts I understand that very well. Parliament stupidly rejected May’s deal primarily because of the hardliners in the Tory Party refusing to back it. Oppositions always tend to oppose. So we ended up with Johnson’s rehash which promised “oven ready” solutions. Which produced a lot of stomach aches when consumed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 4.28pm

Originally posted by YT

If you actually read my posts I understand that very well.

Parliament stupidly rejected May’s deal primarily because of the hardliners in the Tory Party refusing to back it. Oppositions always tend to oppose. So we ended up with Johnson’s rehash which promised “oven ready” solutions. Which produced a lot of stomach aches when consumed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 24 5.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It was campaigning. Just as I, and your link, pointed out. Governments always tend to increase NHS funding. Inflation and developments in health care tend to necessitate that. Now let’s hear about how Brexit has benefitted us as a country and as individuals. We have taken back control. Of what exactly? Who has the time to keep explaining this to you?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was campaigning. Just as I, and your link, pointed out.

Governments always tend to increase NHS funding. Inflation and developments in health care tend to necessitate that.

Now let’s hear about how Brexit has benefitted us as a country and as individuals. We have taken back control. Of what exactly?

Who has the time to keep explaining this to you?

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 24 5.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So is the fact that the £350 million per week “sent to the EU” wasn’t saved and spent on the NHS. These were political campaigning. That our economy didn’t collapse doesn’t mean there haven’t been impacts. Or that there have been any noticeable benefits, like oven ready” trade deals. Many things are more difficult as any traveller or exporter will tell you. Brexit was always a stupid idea and nothing since has happened to make it seem any less so. And it never will for someone as blinkered and short sighted as you.
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Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jun 24 5.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So is the fact that the £350 million per week “sent to the EU” wasn’t saved and spent on the NHS.

These were political campaigning. That our economy didn’t collapse doesn’t mean there haven’t been impacts. Or that there have been any noticeable benefits, like oven ready” trade deals. Many things are more difficult as any traveller or exporter will tell you.

Brexit was always a stupid idea and nothing since has happened to make it seem any less so.

And it never will for someone as blinkered and short sighted as you.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 24 5.52pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I don't think anyone has exclusivity on that, as this thread alone evidences. Which of the Leave campaign ideas has proved the most accurate? I've never claimed exclusivity on it....However, as remainers don't get much criticism within the mainstream media I regard it valid to criticise them on here. As for what has been done with Brexit, that is a completely different argument to the principle of Brexit in of itself. What Brexit has proven is that democracy is mostly myth and that the unelected decide regardless of votes. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2024 6.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jun 24 5.52pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't think anyone has exclusivity on that, as this thread alone evidences.

Which of the Leave campaign ideas has proved the most accurate?

I've never claimed exclusivity on it....However, as remainers don't get much criticism within the mainstream media I regard it valid to criticise them on here.

As for what has been done with Brexit, that is a completely different argument to the principle of Brexit in of itself.

What Brexit has proven is that democracy is mostly myth and that the unelected decide regardless of votes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2024 6.10pm)

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CharlesPaterson 05 Jun 24 6.11pm
Can only see one party worth voting for and that's Reform. Tories have messed up badly and wasted their 80 seat majority. Labour would increase immigration and bend over more to appease the islamists. Liberal, just too fluffy and would make bonkers policies. Green, no thanks, climate crisis, what crisis. It would be great to see if they even only got a handful of seats, might shake up a few of the gravy train politicians currently with their noses in the trough. Call it a protest vote, and it is definitely, but the Cons have lost my support many years ago.
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Can only see one party worth voting for and that's Reform.

Tories have messed up badly and wasted their 80 seat majority.
Labour would increase immigration and bend over more to appease the islamists.
Liberal, just too fluffy and would make bonkers policies.
Green, no thanks, climate crisis, what crisis.

It would be great to see if they even only got a handful of seats, might shake up a few of the gravy train politicians currently with their noses in the trough. Call it a protest vote, and it is definitely, but the Cons have lost my support many years ago.

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georgenorman 05 Jun 24 6.27pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I don't think anyone has exclusivity on that, as this thread alone evidences. Which of the Leave campaign ideas has proved the most accurate? The ability to elect the people that make the laws that govern us.
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georgenorman

05 Jun 24 6.27pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't think anyone has exclusivity on that, as this thread alone evidences.

Which of the Leave campaign ideas has proved the most accurate?

The ability to elect the people that make the laws that govern us.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Jun 24 6.46pm
Originally posted by georgenorman The ability to elect the people that make the laws that govern us. Ah, like our current Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary. At least that bit is going so well.
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Originally posted by georgenorman

The ability to elect the people that make the laws that govern us.

Ah, like our current Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary.

At least that bit is going so well.

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georgenorman 05 Jun 24 7.03pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Ah, like our current Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary. At least that bit is going so well. Sunak was elected as an MP. I agree that member of the Lords should not be appointed as ministers. When did an EU citizen get the opportunity to elect the Commissioners that make EU law?
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georgenorman

05 Jun 24 7.03pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Ah, like our current Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary.

At least that bit is going so well.

Sunak was elected as an MP. I agree that member of the Lords should not be appointed as ministers.

When did an EU citizen get the opportunity to elect the Commissioners that make EU law?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 10.15pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Who has the time to keep explaining this to you? No one has ever explained it. It’s a total fantasy. Fantasies cannot be explained. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 10.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Who has the time to keep explaining this to you?

No one has ever explained it. It’s a total fantasy. Fantasies cannot be explained.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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