I'm sure they said that about the 18th century back then.

Firstly, not all scientists agree with the extent of man made climate change or the mechanisms that make it happen.

More to the point, even if the worst case scinario is correct, there is nothing we can do to stop developing countries from wishing to develop further. It is a bit rich for the industrial nations who have polluted the world for decades to tell others they have to make do with a horse and cart.

There is also no point in trying to pretend that the world can sustain its current level of growth by building a few wind farms and driving electric cars. This is all nonsense.

The fact is that the human population is about to outgrow the limits of Earth's ability to sustain it.
We have to decide what kind of future we want. Right now, making people spend money they can't afford on so called green products will do nothing to fix any climatic changes.

The worst example of using the environment to screw people is Kahn's ULEZ bulls***. It's all just to make money and has next to no effect on air quality.

Stop them cutting down rainforests, over fishing and polluting the seas. Tell the Chinese to stop building coal power stations and then just maybe have the cheeek to tell me I need to replace my boiler with a heat pump or we will all cook to death.

Sorry you want me to explain right wing opinions to you? They’re not a secret, I don’t really understand what you’re getting at.

The same with left wing views; I’m not going to sit here typing out essays on the entire right v left spectrum of opinions - I’ve no idea what you think that would prove.

My opinions on most topics can be found somewhere on Hol if you’re really interested.

I will say that I find your version of right wing politics, formed almost entirely by whatever narrative Murdoch has pushed over the decades, with next to no nuance or care for detail, to be the least convincing of any, and in fact quite damaging to genuinely convincing right wing arguments, of which there are plenty.

Not in the least bit true. I care about all genuine problems. The solutions for many are relatively easily achievable and manageable. Others are long standing societal issues. Culture is never destroyed. It is just constantly evolving. Overcrowding and housing shortage have always existed somewhere and can be dealt with.

Murder isn’t new. Nor is organised crime. Who knows if peadophile gangs existed in the past. Peadophiles certainly did and their crimes went largely unreported and uninvestigated. Fruitcakes have existed in one form or another since time began and so has the belief that one tribe is better than another. People have always abused the law.

The British tribe is not being replaced. It’s being extended. Nor is the media being taken over by the left. With the dominance of Murdoch, and his like, that’s a really silly idea. Nor is free speech being constrained. Respect for others is being expected.

They are big enough mistakes but your biggest one by far comes in your last comment.

Climate change has nothing at all to do with weather.

The climate has everything to do with weather.
Climate changes weather patterns and severity.

I'm not going to disagree with a list of your disagreements. It's a waste of my time.

Oh, and it's paedophile.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jan 2024 7.50pm)

Your three examples aren’t exclusively right wing views. They are simplistic views which can be, and are, held by those whose politics are from both the left and the right.

Better examples would include xenophobia, strident nationalism, chauvinism, dislike of public ownership or regulation, any restrictions on personal liberty, belief in self rather than collective responsibility.

I don’t think that’s necessarily a right wing view - I think most people would agree with it. Welfare as a topic certainly can divide along left/right lines, but I don’t think many would disagree with the basic principle that working should create better life outcomes for an individual.

I do think many on the right’s obsession with benefits and spongers is interesting though, and certainly overlaps with the Murdoch point I made earlier - it’s a literal drop in the ocean versus tax evasion and avoidance by the rich and corporates, yet so many seem completely fixated on welfare instead. There’s absolutely no contest as to what has a bigger impact on the public purse.