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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Oct 16 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party. By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership? I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform. And if parliament ignores the referendum outcome, what was the point in holding it in the first place?
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Stirlingsays 19 Oct 16 3.41am | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party. By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership? I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform. Cameron had no real choice....Not a choice that would have kept his party together anyway.
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carlonoil Naples 19 Oct 16 8.06am | |
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Many people clamouring for another referendum are also supporters of the Corbyn led Labour Party. If you want the dire predictions of a worthless currency, stock market collapse, flight of foreign companies, mass unemployment etc to come true quickly - simply elect Jeremy and his comrades to power.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 16 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
Many people clamouring for another referendum are also supporters of the Corbyn led Labour Party. If you want the dire predictions of a worthless currency, stock market collapse, flight of foreign companies, mass unemployment etc to come true quickly - simply elect Jeremy and his comrades to power. Many people clamouring for aanother referendum are tory and lib dem voters. What's your point? I voted remain but accept the result and think we should get on with it. What's your evidence for what I've put in bold?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 16 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
And if parliament ignores the referendum outcome, what was the point in holding it in the first place? It has shaken politics to the core and revealed the fault lines that divide our country. That these are now being taken seriously is the benefit. What we mustn't do is throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am convinced that many, if not actually most, of those who voted to leave did so without fully understanding the consequences and primarily because of a desire to "stop" immigration and to "take back" control. If they had known the consequences and that these desires were never going to be fulfilled in the way they imagined then I doubt if they would have voted the way they did. This was very badly handled by the Cameron government but we now need the parliament, as a whole, to grow some balls and act together to rescue us from a mess that most can see and which is completely avoidable. I think Mrs May probably can see this, as can the bulk of the Labour MPs. Orchestrating the moves toward it won't be easy. UKIP have no power in parliament and seem to be self destructing anyway, thank goodness, so isolating the dinosaurs on the right wing of the Tory party the only real problem. By the way, I am not a Labour voter and have no time at all for Corbyn, whose attitude is of no use to this situation at all. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2016 9.44am)
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carlonoil Naples 19 Oct 16 9.55am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Many people clamouring for aanother referendum are tory and lib dem voters. What's your point? I voted remain but accept the result and think we should get on with it. What's your evidence for what I've put in bold? My evidence? Corbyn's Labour Party Manifesto and his close associates like Communist Party member Andrew Murray.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 16 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
My evidence? Corbyn's Labour Party Manifesto and his close associates like Communist Party member Andrew Murray. Corbyn hasn't argued for another referendum has he? Source if so please. Can you remind everybody of Corbyn's Labour Party manifesto? I don't think they've released one. They've published some policies that point to a more equitable, fairer society. What policies do you think will bring the country to wrack and ruin? You didn't mention your thoughts on lib dem and tory remainers. Is it all going swimmingly in the Tory ranks?
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chris123 hove actually 19 Oct 16 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has shaken politics to the core and revealed the fault lines that divide our country. That these are now being taken seriously is the benefit. What we mustn't do is throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am convinced that many, if not actually most, of those who voted to leave did so without fully understanding the consequences and primarily because of a desire to "stop" immigration and to "take back" control. If they had known the consequences and that these desires were never going to be fulfilled in the way they imagined then I doubt if they would have voted the way they did. This was very badly handled by the Cameron government but we now need the parliament, as a whole, to grow some balls and act together to rescue us from a mess that most can see and which is completely avoidable. I think Mrs May probably can see this, as can the bulk of the Labour MPs. Orchestrating the moves toward it won't be easy. UKIP have no power in parliament and seem to be self destructing anyway, thank goodness, so isolating the dinosaurs on the right wing of the Tory party the only real problem. By the way, I am not a Labour voter and have no time at all for Corbyn, whose attitude is of no use to this situation at all. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2016 9.44am) I really don't recognise any of this. Any argument that contains the premise that an opposing view doesn't fully understand, is actually no argument at all.
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paperhat croydon 19 Oct 16 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has shaken politics to the core and revealed the fault lines that divide our country. That these are now being taken seriously is the benefit. What we mustn't do is throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am convinced that many, if not actually most, of those who voted to leave did so without fully understanding the consequences and primarily because of a desire to "stop" immigration and to "take back" control. If they had known the consequences and that these desires were never going to be fulfilled in the way they imagined then I doubt if they would have voted the way they did. This was very badly handled by the Cameron government but we now need the parliament, as a whole, to grow some balls and act together to rescue us from a mess that most can see and which is completely avoidable. I think Mrs May probably can see this, as can the bulk of the Labour MPs. Orchestrating the moves toward it won't be easy. UKIP have no power in parliament and seem to be self destructing anyway, thank goodness, so isolating the dinosaurs on the right wing of the Tory party the only real problem. By the way, I am not a Labour voter and have no time at all for Corbyn, whose attitude is of no use to this situation at all. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2016 9.44am) Is this was the case then A) we, the public should never have been put in the position of power that we were in making the choice and B) its the fault of all politicians, letting it get to this stage.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 16 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
I really don't recognise any of this. Any argument that contains the premise that an opposing view doesn't fully understand, is actually no argument at all. You have only to listen to some of the comments, not only from the leave voters but from those politicians in favour, to reach the conclusion that they don't understand. Denials made prior and events subsequently, go to confirm that. This is far too big an issue for a simple yes, or no, question. It is far too complicated, and technical, an issue for the average voter to be able to comprehend. We need to leave it to our elected representatives to decide. That is what we pay them to do. Our job is to choose them. Hold a referendum to assess the mood, but then allow parliament to do their constitutional duty.
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carlonoil Naples 19 Oct 16 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Corbyn hasn't argued for another referendum has he? Source if so please. Can you remind everybody of Corbyn's Labour Party manifesto? I don't think they've released one. They've published some policies that point to a more equitable, fairer society. What policies do you think will bring the country to wrack and ruin? You didn't mention your thoughts on lib dem and tory remainers. Is it all going swimmingly in the Tory ranks? I didn't say that Corbyn has called for another referendum, in fact he has said we should respect the peoples' decision.
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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Oct 16 11.09am | |
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I voted in the referendum to confirm entry by Wilson and I think the yes vote was 67% which I think is just about enough. However this is split down the middle and is advisory its not enough for me. Its a sad reflection on Labour that they have deserted half of the country that voted to remain - the function of the opposition must be to oppose and as on so many issues they are AWOL. I'd like to be governed by Ms Sturgeon and the Scots!!
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