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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 1.48pm
Originally posted by Willo Corbyn was able to run his campaign on his own terms with NO challenge from the Conservatives at all regarding his economically illeterate policies etc etc. He got away with 'Blue Muder' this is why I am saying our campaign was so beneficial to Corbyn and Labour. We have seen the Corbyn/McDonnell masks slipping as a result of Grenfell.In vilifying the Conservatives over Grenfell and playing politics with tragedy the consequence could well be public revulsion. This is Labour, a sinister cult with their radical socialist project. What? Did you pay attention to anything during the campaign? "Magic Money Tree"?
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Originally posted by Willo

Corbyn was able to run his campaign on his own terms with NO challenge from the Conservatives at all regarding his economically illeterate policies etc etc.
He got away with 'Blue Muder' this is why I am saying our campaign was so beneficial to Corbyn and Labour.

We have seen the Corbyn/McDonnell masks slipping as a result of Grenfell.In vilifying the Conservatives over Grenfell and playing politics with tragedy the consequence could well be public revulsion.

This is Labour, a sinister cult with their radical socialist project.

What? Did you pay attention to anything during the campaign? "Magic Money Tree"?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 1.57pm
Originally posted by Willo Absolutely right. I loved May's retort about Corbyn saying one thing to the many and another to the few in realtion to Trident !!!! Anyway off my 'Soapbox' for now !!!! Got things to do. Wasn't his statement on Trident that he would not fire first. Whilst I don't agree with his views on a nuclear deterrent, I would regard anyone who actually knows anything about Trident, who would fire first, to be a raving psychopath. The whole point of trident is that its a guaranteed last strike, that irrespective of the status of the UK, ensures massive retaliation with horrific casualties. Its not something you can fire first, or 'just a little bit of'. When you order Trident to fire, it fires every single missile at their preprogramed targets (and deploying the multiple warheads). Its not a first strike weapon. Also, its technically supposed to be a state secret for the Prime Minister to not reveal their intentions regarding the use of the Nuclear deterrent (or for that matter a potential nuclear deputy or shadow leader). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Jun 17 1.57pm

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely right.

I loved May's retort about Corbyn saying one thing to the many and another to the few in realtion to Trident !!!!

Anyway off my 'Soapbox' for now !!!!
Got things to do.

Wasn't his statement on Trident that he would not fire first. Whilst I don't agree with his views on a nuclear deterrent, I would regard anyone who actually knows anything about Trident, who would fire first, to be a raving psychopath.

The whole point of trident is that its a guaranteed last strike, that irrespective of the status of the UK, ensures massive retaliation with horrific casualties.

Its not something you can fire first, or 'just a little bit of'. When you order Trident to fire, it fires every single missile at their preprogramed targets (and deploying the multiple warheads).

Its not a first strike weapon. Also, its technically supposed to be a state secret for the Prime Minister to not reveal their intentions regarding the use of the Nuclear deterrent (or for that matter a potential nuclear deputy or shadow leader).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 1.58pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle What? Did you pay attention to anything during the campaign? "Magic Money Tree"? Labour has a magic money tree, where as the Conservatives have magic worker elves - where they can cut public spending, but still deliver effective public services. Despite the evidence to the contrary. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 28 Jun 17 1.58pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

What? Did you pay attention to anything during the campaign? "Magic Money Tree"?

Labour has a magic money tree, where as the Conservatives have magic worker elves - where they can cut public spending, but still deliver effective public services.

Despite the evidence to the contrary.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 3.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Wasn't his statement on Trident that he would not fire first. Whilst I don't agree with his views on a nuclear deterrent, I would regard anyone who actually knows anything about Trident, who would fire first, to be a raving psychopath. The whole point of trident is that its a guaranteed last strike, that irrespective of the status of the UK, ensures massive retaliation with horrific casualties. Its not something you can fire first, or 'just a little bit of'. When you order Trident to fire, it fires every single missile at their preprogramed targets (and deploying the multiple warheads). Its not a first strike weapon. Also, its technically supposed to be a state secret for the Prime Minister to not reveal their intentions regarding the use of the Nuclear deterrent (or for that matter a potential nuclear deputy or shadow leader). All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND? I'm going with the latter.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The whole point of trident is that its a guaranteed last strike, that irrespective of the status of the UK, ensures massive retaliation with horrific casualties.

Its not something you can fire first, or 'just a little bit of'. When you order Trident to fire, it fires every single missile at their preprogramed targets (and deploying the multiple warheads).

All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND?

I'm going with the latter.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Jun 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND? I'm going with the latter. It was probably Eavis asking Corbyn if he could get rid of the Sea God Neptune's trident as he thought it was causing interference to Glastonbury's ley lines. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 28 Jun 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND?

I'm going with the latter.

It was probably Eavis asking Corbyn if he could get rid of the Sea God Neptune's trident as he thought it was causing interference to Glastonbury's ley lines.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 4.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND? I'm going with the latter. I don't think he'd be prepared to give the order to launch Trident and condemn 10-20m+ civilians to death. I suspect that no one really would know unless in that moment, when the missiles are on route to obliterate almost all life in the UK, it might very well seem pointless to simply retaliate by adding 20m (Russians) to the 40-50m dead British. Being responsible for 20m dead is a lot to put on a person. What I object to is him speaking so openly about it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 28 Jun 17 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND?

I'm going with the latter.

I don't think he'd be prepared to give the order to launch Trident and condemn 10-20m+ civilians to death. I suspect that no one really would know unless in that moment, when the missiles are on route to obliterate almost all life in the UK, it might very well seem pointless to simply retaliate by adding 20m (Russians) to the 40-50m dead British.

Being responsible for 20m dead is a lot to put on a person.

What I object to is him speaking so openly about it.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hansy 28 Jun 17 4.34pm
There would be no point having Trident if we had a PM that would not use it. And who is so open about not using it. It'll be a waste of money, and resources. But then if it was scrapped we'd have to find jobs for all those supporting it, and help with the Clyde's economy.
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28 Jun 17 4.34pm

There would be no point having Trident if we had a PM that would not use it. And who is so open about not using it.

It'll be a waste of money, and resources.

But then if it was scrapped we'd have to find jobs for all those supporting it, and help with the Clyde's economy.

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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jun 17 4.48pm
Originally posted by Hansy There would be no point having Trident if we had a PM that would not use it. And who is so open about not using it. It'll be a waste of money, and resources. But then if it was scrapped we'd have to find jobs for all those supporting it, and help with the Clyde's economy. Ouch I ruined my nails pressing that knob what is it for anyway. It just blows up millions of people. Well that's alright then.
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Croydon 28 Jun 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by Hansy

There would be no point having Trident if we had a PM that would not use it. And who is so open about not using it.

It'll be a waste of money, and resources.

But then if it was scrapped we'd have to find jobs for all those supporting it, and help with the Clyde's economy.

Ouch I ruined my nails pressing that knob what is it for anyway.

It just blows up millions of people.

Well that's alright then.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 4.54pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't think he'd be prepared to give the order to launch Trident and condemn 10-20m+ civilians to death. I suspect that no one really would know unless in that moment, when the missiles are on route to obliterate almost all life in the UK, it might very well seem pointless to simply retaliate by adding 20m (Russians) to the 40-50m dead British. Being responsible for 20m dead is a lot to put on a person. What I object to is him speaking so openly about it. That's the bottom line. It's called a deterrent. He cannot make such views public and expect to be seen as a credible Prime Minister. He cannot be Deputy Chair of CND either for that matter. It's just too farcical to contemplate.
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Hrolf The Ganger

28 Jun 17 4.54pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Being responsible for 20m dead is a lot to put on a person.

What I object to is him speaking so openly about it.

That's the bottom line.
It's called a deterrent. He cannot make such views public and expect to be seen as a credible Prime Minister. He cannot be Deputy Chair of CND either for that matter.
It's just too farcical to contemplate.

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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jun 17 5.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That's the bottom line. It's called a deterrent. He cannot make such views public and expect to be seen as a credible Prime Minister. He cannot be Deputy Chair of CND either for that matter. It's just too farcical to contemplate. A relic of the cold war although 'Red Oktober' was more credible than Trident. Best to keep the old one going and invest in an up-to-date missile system at a fraction of the cost. If it is supposed to deter the french we could always close the channel tunnel for a while in stead.
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steeleye20

Croydon 28 Jun 17 5.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A relic of the cold war although 'Red Oktober' was more credible than Trident.

Best to keep the old one going and invest in an up-to-date missile system at a fraction of the cost.

If it is supposed to deter the french we could always close the channel tunnel for a while in stead.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 28 Jun 17 5.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND? I'm going with the latter. Hrolf, you are bleeding credibility at an alarming rate. You have essentially said "I don't care about the facts on what Trident actually is, as I am desperate to get a dig at Corbyn in." Your glib dismissal of actuality in pursuit of ideology (as opposed to a fact based rebuttal arguement, which is always fair enough regardless of your stance) puts you at the very least on par with all those on here you spend your online life railing against for their indoctrinated ways. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 28 Jun 17 5.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All very nice but do you think Jeremy was eluding to the technical or practical aspects of Trident or just speaking as the loony deputy chairman of CND?

I'm going with the latter.

Hrolf, you are bleeding credibility at an alarming rate. You have essentially said "I don't care about the facts on what Trident actually is, as I am desperate to get a dig at Corbyn in."

Your glib dismissal of actuality in pursuit of ideology (as opposed to a fact based rebuttal arguement, which is always fair enough regardless of your stance) puts you at the very least on par with all those on here you spend your online life railing against for their indoctrinated ways.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 7.26pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Hrolf, you are bleeding credibility at an alarming rate. You have essentially said "I don't care about the facts on what Trident actually is, as I am desperate to get a dig at Corbyn in." Your glib dismissal of actuality in pursuit of ideology (as opposed to a fact based rebuttal arguement, which is always fair enough regardless of your stance) puts you at the very least on par with all those on here you spend your online life railing against for their indoctrinated ways. NO. There is a difference between making a case for an alternative missile system to Trident and believing that disarmament can ever happen. Corbyn is the deputy chairman of CND. That role and belief system is not conducive with being Prime Minister. What difference does it make what deterrent we have with him as PM because he has publicly stated that he wouldn't use it. If anyone has no credibility, it is Corbyn.
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Hrolf The Ganger

28 Jun 17 7.26pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Hrolf, you are bleeding credibility at an alarming rate. You have essentially said "I don't care about the facts on what Trident actually is, as I am desperate to get a dig at Corbyn in."

NO.

There is a difference between making a case for an alternative missile system to Trident and believing that disarmament can ever happen.
Corbyn is the deputy chairman of CND. That role and belief system is not conducive with being Prime Minister.
What difference does it make what deterrent we have with him as PM because he has publicly stated that he wouldn't use it.

If anyone has no credibility, it is Corbyn.

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