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 steeleye20  Croydon 19 Dec 22 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
One that rewards people appropriately of course but also one that manages its finances responsibly. This is not the time to risk the consequences of failing to do the latter in the pursuit of the former. We need to prioritise. How has the last 12 years rewarded the nurses 'appropriately'? You mean managing its finances responsibly to prioritise wealthy asset holders and retired who do not make any contribution to anybody but themselves.
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| Spiderman Horsham 19 Dec 22 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
How has the last 12 years rewarded the nurses 'appropriately'? You mean managing its finances responsibly to prioritise wealthy asset holders and retired who do not make any contribution to anybody but themselves. But is not just nurses, the whole of the public sector are much worse off. In fact, nurses have been given more rises than, for example, BF Officers. Are you saying then, that all public sector workers should get 19%? If so, that’s ridiculous and totally unaffordable.
Edited by Spiderman (19 Dec 2022 3.20pm)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Dec 22 3.33pm |
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Hasn't the private sector fared much worse than the public? At least there is far more job security in the public and actual pensions worth the name if you can stick it out.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Dec 22 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't think an increase is what is needed, a requirement for retired people to pay is absolutely needed. If they pay income tax they should pay NIC. It isn't as though money previously paid in has contributed sufficient to pay for their medical care in older age, that is a total fallacy. Unearned income generally should be subject to NIC or an equivalent. And Corporation Tax plus Dividends should amount to equal taxation as employment tax. There is no valid reason why they don't, other than the influence of the rich at Government level. Do agree with your points.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Dec 22 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
But is not just nurses, the whole of the public sector are much worse off. In fact, nurses have been given more rises than, for example, BF Officers. Are you saying then, that all public sector workers should get 19%? If so, that’s ridiculous and totally unaffordable.
Edited by Spiderman (19 Dec 2022 3.20pm) I think it would be 12/13 billions considering the additional tax revenue to the government, to redress the last 12 years effect on public service workers. Currently they cost 233 billions (wow) this would make it 245 billions. There are public service workers who are vital, like the nurses, but many not so much so it is a difficult one, just a blanket increase everywhere doesn't feel right. My personal view is that we should be taxing wealth much more and rewarding work, I don't see why working families should pay for this Mr.Sunak. More like the rich, namely yourself.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Dec 22 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think it would be 12/13 billions considering the additional tax revenue to the government, to redress the last 12 years effect on public service workers. Currently they cost 233 billions (wow) this would make it 245 billions. There are public service workers who are vital, like the nurses, but many not so much so it is a difficult one, just a blanket increase everywhere doesn't feel right. My personal view is that we should be taxing wealth much more and rewarding work, I don't see why working families should pay for this Mr.Sunak. More like the rich, namely yourself.
Sounds like the solution to me.....I mean no one's ever tried that one before. It's sure to bring us loads of tax. Eat the rich!! Up the revolution!! Power to the People!!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Dec 22 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
How has the last 12 years rewarded the nurses 'appropriately'? You mean managing its finances responsibly to prioritise wealthy asset holders and retired who do not make any contribution to anybody but themselves. It's not just the last 12 years. We have never rewarded nurses, or other key workers, appropriately. We are though where we are and now is just not the time to try to deal with a systemic issue.
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| Mapletree Croydon 19 Dec 22 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Hasn't the private sector fared much worse than the public? At least there is far more job security in the public and actual pensions worth the name if you can stick it out. I think you need to check the figures on pay rises. The pension is less attractive than it was, since 2015 (unless you were a protected employee) my understanding is that it is a DB scheme based on average earnings not final salary.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Dec 22 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I think you need to check the figures on pay rises. The pension is less attractive than it was, since 2015 (unless you were a protected employee) my understanding is that it is a DB scheme based on average earnings not final salary. I've heard it talked about previously and it's been said that the private sector has fared worse.....considering the job security element I can well believe it. I will say though that I haven't checked any figures on it.....though obviously the private sector covers a huge range of wage scales. Don't get me wrong, I know that the standard of living crises has affected everyone.....my point was that the private sector have zero protection compared to the public. I was of course a public sector employee myself but we should never forget that it's the private sector who pay for everything. If you aren't maintaining that economic engine then we are going nowhere.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Dec 22 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not just the last 12 years. We have never rewarded nurses, or other key workers, appropriately. We are though where we are and now is just not the time to try to deal with a systemic issue. Exactly the sort of argument which is always used to ensure, as you say, we never have to pay key workers appropriately. It's never going to be the right time for the Government to spend an extra £x billion that they don't *have* to, and so they never will until they're forced to.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Dec 22 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I've heard it talked about previously and it's been said that the private sector has fared worse.....considering the job security element I can well believe it. I will say though that I haven't checked any figures on it.....though obviously the private sector covers a huge range of wage scales. Don't get me wrong, I know that the standard of living crises has affected everyone.....my point was that the private sector have zero protection compared to the public. I was of course a public sector employee myself but we should never forget that it's the private sector who pay for everything. If you aren't maintaining that economic engine then we are going nowhere. Loads of recent data comparing the two:
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| Stirlingsays 19 Dec 22 5.58pm |
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I appreciate that. I should imagine the real issue in the private sector here is the job insecurity. The pain of wages not keeping up with inflation is going to be with us for some considerable time.....public or private. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2022 5.59pm)
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