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georgenorman 29 Mar 23 6.58pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Similarly facism is rather obviously not exclusive to the right. It's pretty obvious when something or someone is definably racist, for example, as the action or statements will neatly match the definitions. Not sure what you are suggesting there. Are you saying for example that communists are fascists?
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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Mar 23 7.02pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Disagree. I'll repeat the statement again and highlight the key words for you. 'There are no doubt individuals or factions within most groups that are facist by definition, whether that's Antifa, EDL, BDP, The New Red Brigades, Hammas...As for Newquay, as a group they might not be, but who knows, there may be some individuals that could be tagged as such. Just like on this site.' It's absolutely what I meant, and I don't think it's particularly controversial to extend the wider point to this site. It would be controversial and defamatory (not to mention highly personal and unnecessary) to start naming names or pointing fingers without definative evidence. As before, it would be unhelpful and defamatory. As I said, the closest I've seen is the 'kicking a migrant' post. It's also only tailoring evidence if it's aimed at someone. Neither of which apply here, as per my post that was clearly including a wide range of groups as examples and making the rather obvious point that if you get a large enough group of people, of which I'd suggest this site is one such group, there's going to be a few facists in there somewhere. Ironically through your responses you are in fact the one inadvertently narrowing it down. Care to reply to my response re. definitions? Or are you going to 'wriggle' your way out of that one via elaborate jazz handing. Edited by SW19 CPFC (29 Mar 2023 6.52pm) I stand by my view and move on.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Mar 23 8.10pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I stand by my view and move on. Fair enough
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Mar 23 8.36pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Not sure what you are suggesting there. Are you saying for example that communists are fascists? Not are Can be. Main reasoning? Because communism is never really implemented properly, almost always abused and often ends up as facism in all but name. ‘Red fascism’ I believe is the term. Stalinism etc. Maybe it’s more ideologically accurate to say ‘fascist behaviours’ but radical nationalism, racism and violent support of those behaviours could be and are expressed by any group of people. Also not all lefties are communists, but plenty of extreme lefties exhibit fascist behaviour. Also, by definition, you can’t be a peaceful fascist.
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georgenorman 29 Mar 23 8.54pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Not are Can be. Main reasoning? Because communism is never really implemented properly, almost always abused and often ends up as facism in all but name. ‘Red fascism’ I believe is the term. Stalinism etc. Maybe it’s more ideologically accurate to say ‘fascist behaviours’ but radical nationalism, racism and violent support of those behaviours could be and are expressed by any group of people. Also not all lefties are communists, but plenty of extreme lefties exhibit fascist behaviour. Also, by definition, you can’t be a peaceful fascist. Of course communism has been implemented properly. It is nationalist, militarist, genocidal, totalitarian and is economically disastrous. The totalitarian method of government by the Communists was defined by Marx as the ‘Dictatorship of the proletariat’. According to Lenin, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a ‘persistent struggle—bloody and bloodless, violent and peaceful, military and economic, educational and administrative—against the forces and traditions of the old society’. If all right wing leaning people have some sort of Fascist aspects, it is just as true to say that all left wing people have some Communist characteristics.
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 23 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"Fascism is an ultranationalist, authoritarian political philosophy. It combines elements of nationalism, militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and totalitarianism. It does not permit disagreement and can use violence to suppress those who try to resist. It can hold a racist ideology." Tending towards something doesn't mean the journey is complete. Only that the journey has started and that warning bells must be sounded. I don't have detail on the individuals who comprised the two groups in Newquay, but some clearly thought some were demonstrating fascist tendencies whilst the other thought their opponents to be from the far-left. It's not such an unusual scenario! Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Mar 2023 3.54pm) The far left use this tactic constantly. The only 'fascism' that has any relevance is that employed by the self righteous Left. So now Trump is being charged in a laughably transparent attempt to undermine his electoral campaign. Jokers like you still claim to be on the side of the fair and good and claim to be 'conservative'. You make me sick.
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Lombardinho London 31 Mar 23 11.06am | |
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I hear there was an indictment yesterday.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 23 11.23am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The far left use this tactic constantly. The only 'fascism' that has any relevance is that employed by the self righteous Left. So now Trump is being charged in a laughably transparent attempt to undermine his electoral campaign. Jokers like you still claim to be on the side of the fair and good and claim to be 'conservative'. You make me sick. Even if that were true what has it got to with this? Any drift towards fascist behaviour is to be deplored. As many believe that Trump being charged will help energise his support base, rather than damage his re-election prospects, there is no reason to suppose that this has anything more than a DA keeping his word and following due process. The innocent have nothing to fear from the law, especially those who can afford to assemble the best lawyers to construct a defence. Indeed, knowing how Trump thinks and operates, portraying himself as a victim could easily be part of his play book to detract from his the much charges which seem likely to arrive later. Trump is no "conservative"! He is 100% a fraud, with no central core of beliefs. He deserves to be exposed.
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georgenorman 31 Mar 23 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Even if that were true what has it got to with this? Any drift towards fascist behaviour is to be deplored. As many believe that Trump being charged will help energise his support base, rather than damage his re-election prospects, there is no reason to suppose that this has anything more than a DA keeping his word and following due process. The innocent have nothing to fear from the law, especially those who can afford to assemble the best lawyers to construct a defence. Indeed, knowing how Trump thinks and operates, portraying himself as a victim could easily be part of his play book to detract from his the much charges which seem likely to arrive later. Trump is no "conservative"! He is 100% a fraud, with no central core of beliefs. He deserves to be exposed. It would be if there was such a drift. If there is a drift, it is towards communism.
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steeleye20 Croydon 31 Mar 23 1.12pm | |
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Nobody should assume that voters will discard their favourites because they are on charges of corruption, bullying or whatever. Netenyahu for example still on corruption charges, didn't stop Israeli voters and look at the result. It's like a badge for some people, moral never try to understand the voters.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 31 Mar 23 1.49pm | |
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This is the politics that (US) voters deserve. The politics of the gutter, and still people will pledge allegiance in spite of everything.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Mar 23 2.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
This is the politics that (US) voters deserve. The politics of the gutter, and still people will pledge allegiance in spite of everything. I heard a piece today which hinted that the Democrats want Trump to run as they think they have a better chance against him than the likely alternative (de Santis). De Santis could also run for two terms. He has a lot of support and is making all the right noises to attract the voters; Trump is too decisive and therefore a beatable opponent.
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