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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 May 20 9.06pm
Originally posted by Spiderman You need to take a chill pill. How do you know the senior scientist is non-political? or is that just your opinion? I made no mention of the interview being discussed, I do not like Andrew Marr or his programme, sorry. Why bring Trump into this? You really can’t help yourself can you! Watch the interview! That lady is no politician. She is a scientist. You really don't have to be particularly adept at body language, or determining someone's acting capability, to work that out. Trump is brought into this because it's him who is ramping up the distrust in the WHO for no positive reasons at all. Other than to divert attention from his own failings and distract his base. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 May 20 9.06pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

You need to take a chill pill. How do you know the senior scientist is non-political? or is that just your opinion? I made no mention of the interview being discussed, I do not like Andrew Marr or his programme, sorry.
Why bring Trump into this? You really can’t help yourself can you!

Watch the interview!

That lady is no politician. She is a scientist. You really don't have to be particularly adept at body language, or determining someone's acting capability, to work that out.

Trump is brought into this because it's him who is ramping up the distrust in the WHO for no positive reasons at all. Other than to divert attention from his own failings and distract his base.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 May 20 9.08pm
Originally posted by the silurian didnt say bent over backwards, they bent over forwards pal, allowed the chinese leaders to shaft them good and proper So what? The criticism of the comment remains exactly the same. Repeating the assertion adds nothing to its authenticity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 May 20 9.08pm

Originally posted by the silurian

didnt say bent over backwards, they bent over forwards pal, allowed the chinese leaders to shaft them good and proper

So what? The criticism of the comment remains exactly the same. Repeating the assertion adds nothing to its authenticity.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 17 May 20 9.34pm
Originally posted by BlueJay I'm not saying what your particular home does or doesn't do, I'm saying what has been documented to have happened in others. I already highlighted in my previous post the issue of staff bringing it in "Quarantining is worthwhile, but it clearly hasn't been particularly successful and asymptomatic staff likely bring it into the environment too." Again, I'm not personalising it, you keep imagining I'm talking about you and your approach personally. I'm talking about the lack of successful planning from the top and the body count. It is what it is. No. I am giving you actual information on first hand examples. Please don’t bother reading them if you don’t like them.
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Mapletree

Croydon 17 May 20 9.34pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I'm not saying what your particular home does or doesn't do, I'm saying what has been documented to have happened in others.

I already highlighted in my previous post the issue of staff bringing it in

"Quarantining is worthwhile, but it clearly hasn't been particularly successful and asymptomatic staff likely bring it into the environment too."

Again, I'm not personalising it, you keep imagining I'm talking about you and your approach personally. I'm talking about the lack of successful planning from the top and the body count. It is what it is.

No. I am giving you actual information on first hand examples. Please don’t bother reading them if you don’t like them.

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BlueJay UK 17 May 20 11.12pm
Originally posted by Mapletree No. I am giving you actual information on first hand examples. Please don’t bother reading them if you don’t like them. I read it and acknowledged it. I also pointed out, as is factually the case, that the opposite has happened in some homes and that a wide and effectual plan for care homes has not been enacted. Those in homes have been let down, as have those working in such environments. A person's pride in his work does not outweigh a grotesque reality. Outbreaks in 5000+ homes hitting the most vulnerable, while those able to shrug it off are sat indoors twiddling their thumbs is not a success, it's inept policy making on both fronts. Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2020 11.18pm)
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BlueJay

UK 17 May 20 11.12pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

No. I am giving you actual information on first hand examples. Please don’t bother reading them if you don’t like them.

I read it and acknowledged it. I also pointed out, as is factually the case, that the opposite has happened in some homes and that a wide and effectual plan for care homes has not been enacted. Those in homes have been let down, as have those working in such environments. A person's pride in his work does not outweigh a grotesque reality. Outbreaks in 5000+ homes hitting the most vulnerable, while those able to shrug it off are sat indoors twiddling their thumbs is not a success, it's inept policy making on both fronts.

Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2020 11.18pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 17 May 20 11.49pm
Originally posted by BlueJay I read it and acknowledged it. I also pointed out, as is factually the case, that the opposite has happened in some homes and that a wide and effectual plan for care homes has not been enacted. Those in homes have been let down, as have those working in such environments. A person's pride in his work does not outweigh a grotesque reality. Outbreaks in 5000+ homes hitting the most vulnerable, while those able to shrug it off are sat indoors twiddling their thumbs is not a success, it's inept policy making on both fronts. Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2020 11.18pm) This is a disease of the over 75s, people with underlying health problems especially related to blood and BAME people. Care homes was always going to be an issue. I do not believe the issue is primarily due to people coming from hospitals however. It is hard to imagine what could have been done to prevent the entry of the disease into homes given the high staffing requirements. It is true that the government was woefully slow at providing help and guidance. Most providers have reacted well however as have many local authorities. It is interesting how for example guidance on the use of PPE has changed almost daily, not well managed. By the way, I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your points earlier, merely giving you information.
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Mapletree

Croydon 17 May 20 11.49pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2020 11.18pm)

This is a disease of the over 75s, people with underlying health problems especially related to blood and BAME people.

Care homes was always going to be an issue. I do not believe the issue is primarily due to people coming from hospitals however. It is hard to imagine what could have been done to prevent the entry of the disease into homes given the high staffing requirements. It is true that the government was woefully slow at providing help and guidance. Most providers have reacted well however as have many local authorities. It is interesting how for example guidance on the use of PPE has changed almost daily, not well managed.

By the way, I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your points earlier, merely giving you information.

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Mapletree Croydon 17 May 20 11.58pm
In Croydon’s ITU there are 18 patients with COVID all of whom are BAME. They all tested low for vitamin D. Listen people, get out in the sun. Those of you with very dark skin TAKE SUPPLEMENTS NOW! It’s the first thing the hospital does, giving COVID Patients vitamin D. Turns out it isn’t just woke people worrying and apparently It’s less about lifestyle than many had thought.
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Croydon 17 May 20 11.58pm

In Croydon’s ITU there are 18 patients with COVID all of whom are BAME. They all tested low for vitamin D. Listen people, get out in the sun. Those of you with very dark skin TAKE SUPPLEMENTS NOW! It’s the first thing the hospital does, giving COVID Patients vitamin D. Turns out it isn’t just woke people worrying and apparently It’s less about lifestyle than many had thought.

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Spiderman Horsham 18 May 20 6.41am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Watch the interview! That lady is no politician. She is a scientist. You really don't have to be particularly adept at body language, or determining someone's acting capability, to work that out. Trump is brought into this because it's him who is ramping up the distrust in the WHO for no positive reasons at all. Other than to divert attention from his own failings and distract his base. As I previously said, I was not commenting on the interview. So you can tell someone is not politically motivated by her suppose body language on tv, very clever. I have not said she was but was interested to know how, without personally knowing her, you can be so sure. No positive reason to mistrust the WHO! If that’s what you want to believe that’s fine, imo they didn’t give sufficient information early enough regarding Covid, maybe something to do with the extra funding being received from China. FYI I do not particularly like Trump and do not agree with his handling of the crisis but I Sam not obsessed with him, unlike you appear to be.
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Spiderman

Horsham 18 May 20 6.41am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Watch the interview!

That lady is no politician. She is a scientist. You really don't have to be particularly adept at body language, or determining someone's acting capability, to work that out.

Trump is brought into this because it's him who is ramping up the distrust in the WHO for no positive reasons at all. Other than to divert attention from his own failings and distract his base.

As I previously said, I was not commenting on the interview. So you can tell someone is not politically motivated by her suppose body language on tv, very clever. I have not said she was but was interested to know how, without personally knowing her, you can be so sure.
No positive reason to mistrust the WHO! If that’s what you want to believe that’s fine, imo they didn’t give sufficient information early enough regarding Covid, maybe something to do with the extra funding being received from China. FYI I do not particularly like Trump and do not agree with his handling of the crisis but I Sam not obsessed with him, unlike you appear to be.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 May 20 6.43am
Originally posted by Mapletree In Croydon’s ITU there are 18 patients with COVID all of whom are BAME. They all tested low for vitamin D. Listen people, get out in the sun. Those of you with very dark skin TAKE SUPPLEMENTS NOW! It’s the first thing the hospital does, giving COVID Patients vitamin D. Turns out it isn’t just woke people worrying and apparently It’s less about lifestyle than many had thought. Back in February when we didn't realise the impact this virus would have I asked for advice from my doctor neighbour as I was supposed to be going to Indonesia in March. She gave me a load of vitamin D tablets and told me to build up my immune system with them plus vitamin C plus Wellman. "It won't stop you getting the virus but will help you fight it." I'm still taking them daily and so far I am okay if I had the virus I haven't noticed. It does beg the question why are BAME people so low in vitamin D we get it from the sun but also from certain foods. Is it diet? One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 May 20 6.43am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Back in February when we didn't realise the impact this virus would have I asked for advice from my doctor neighbour as I was supposed to be going to Indonesia in March. She gave me a load of vitamin D tablets and told me to build up my immune system with them plus vitamin C plus Wellman. "It won't stop you getting the virus but will help you fight it."

I'm still taking them daily and so far I am okay if I had the virus I haven't noticed.

It does beg the question why are BAME people so low in vitamin D we get it from the sun but also from certain foods. Is it diet?

One more point

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 18 May 20 8.29am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So what? The criticism of the comment remains exactly the same. Repeating the assertion adds nothing to its authenticity. whatever!
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The garden of England.(not really) 18 May 20 8.29am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what? The criticism of the comment remains exactly the same. Repeating the assertion adds nothing to its authenticity.

whatever!

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Mapletree Croydon 18 May 20 8.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 Back in February when we didn't realise the impact this virus would have I asked for advice from my doctor neighbour as I was supposed to be going to Indonesia in March. She gave me a load of vitamin D tablets and told me to build up my immune system with them plus vitamin C plus Wellman. "It won't stop you getting the virus but will help you fight it." I'm still taking them daily and so far I am okay if I had the virus I haven't noticed. It does beg the question why are BAME people so low in vitamin D we get it from the sun but also from certain foods. Is it diet? Most sources aren’t rich in vitamin d. Sunlight is best. By March many people have low vitamin d after the winter. BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people. Take cod liver oil.
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Mapletree

Croydon 18 May 20 8.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm still taking them daily and so far I am okay if I had the virus I haven't noticed.

It does beg the question why are BAME people so low in vitamin D we get it from the sun but also from certain foods. Is it diet?

Most sources aren’t rich in vitamin d. Sunlight is best. By March many people have low vitamin d after the winter. BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people. Take cod liver oil.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 20 9.21am
Originally posted by Mapletree Most sources aren’t rich in vitamin d. Sunlight is best. By March many people have low vitamin d after the winter. BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people. Take cod liver oil. Genuine question. Why do BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people? That’s a lifestyle choice. I take cod liver oil anyway. Had an elbow pain a few years ago for a long time and had gone within a month of taking for liver oil. Isn’t this BAME claim exaggerated seeing as the virus is a problem in built up areas? And as tasty as Caribbean and Indian food is, it is pretty high in saturated fat. Obesity or internal visceral fat is a problem when fighting off this virus. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 May 20 9.21am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Most sources aren’t rich in vitamin d. Sunlight is best. By March many people have low vitamin d after the winter. BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people. Take cod liver oil.

Genuine question. Why do BAME people tend to avoid the sun more than white people? That’s a lifestyle choice. I take cod liver oil anyway. Had an elbow pain a few years ago for a long time and had gone within a month of taking for liver oil.

Isn’t this BAME claim exaggerated seeing as the virus is a problem in built up areas?

And as tasty as Caribbean and Indian food is, it is pretty high in saturated fat. Obesity or internal visceral fat is a problem when fighting off this virus.

COYP

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