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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 22 11.48pm |
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Who said that? It's obviously untrue. My wife is a nurse, but I fundamentally disagree with them taking strike action at any time, but especially now. How will any settlement with the nurses be paid for? There are not any opportunities to reform working practices and make productivity gains. The nurses look for them all the time as they are so stretched. Give them more and others either get less or taxes rise. Inflation rises too. Give in to the nurses and a benchmark is set. Giving in to the train drivers would be even worse. So I think it is going to be resisted and then, after a few weeks a compromise reached whereby the pay review body will be asked to review their recommendation in the light of current inflation and a commitment made to raise money, in stages, after a plan to reduce reliance on agency staff has been implemented.
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Dec 22 5.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How will any settlement with the nurses be paid for? There are not any opportunities to reform working practices and make productivity gains. How about an increase in NIC contributions
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 22 7.39am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
How about an increase in NIC contributions Now that's a great idea why didn't the Tories think of that
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cryrst  The garden of England 19 Dec 22 7.40am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
How about an increase in NIC contributions That hot potato that was cancelled yup. Because 1.5% was such a huge amount but a 19% rise isn’t
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 22 7.42am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
That hot potato that was cancelled yup. Because 1.5% was such a huge amount but a 19% rise isn’t I hope you are not suggesting that the public are in favour of big pay rises for the public sector but are against tax rises. That would be illogical and hypocritical.
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| Spiderman Horsham 19 Dec 22 9.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who said that? It's obviously untrue. My wife is a nurse, but I fundamentally disagree with them taking strike action at any time, but especially now. How will any settlement with the nurses be paid for? There are not any opportunities to reform working practices and make productivity gains. The nurses look for them all the time as they are so stretched. Give them more and others either get less or taxes rise. Inflation rises too. Give in to the nurses and a benchmark is set. Giving in to the train drivers would be even worse. So I think it is going to be resisted and then, after a few weeks a compromise reached whereby the pay review body will be asked to review their recommendation in the light of current inflation and a commitment made to raise money, in stages, after a plan to reduce reliance on agency staff has been implemented. I am not sure but Gary Neville went on a political rant about the UK, basically saying we criticise Qatar but… I suspect he is the culprit. He should not be used as a pundit again, if he insists on using it to mouth off. Looks like I was right. Oh sorry on,y the Mail! Edited by Spiderman (19 Dec 2022 9.13am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Dec 22 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who said that? It's obviously untrue. My wife is a nurse, but I fundamentally disagree with them taking strike action at any time, but especially now. How will any settlement with the nurses be paid for? There are not any opportunities to reform working practices and make productivity gains. The nurses look for them all the time as they are so stretched. Give them more and others either get less or taxes rise. Inflation rises too. Give in to the nurses and a benchmark is set. Giving in to the train drivers would be even worse. So I think it is going to be resisted and then, after a few weeks a compromise reached whereby the pay review body will be asked to review their recommendation in the light of current inflation and a commitment made to raise money, in stages, after a plan to reduce reliance on agency staff has been implemented. It was Gary Neville so I will leave it at that. If the nurses have their claim met in full they will their position will still be worse than in 2010. What sort of society do you wish to live in?
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 19 Dec 22 11.46am |
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As society where nasty anti semitic people like Corbyn and his fellow travellers can never get into a position of power.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Dec 22 11.59am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
As society where nasty anti semitic people like Corbyn and his fellow travellers can never get into a position of power.
The last 6 years have gone fantastically at least - Boris is clearly a more moral bloke.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Dec 22 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It was Gary Neville so I will leave it at that. If the nurses have their claim met in full they will their position will still be worse than in 2010. What sort of society do you wish to live in? One that rewards people appropriately of course but also one that manages its finances responsibly. This is not the time to risk the consequences of failing to do the latter in the pursuit of the former. We need to prioritise.
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| Mapletree Croydon 19 Dec 22 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
How about an increase in NIC contributions I don't think an increase is what is needed, a requirement for retired people to pay is absolutely needed. If they pay income tax they should pay NIC. It isn't as though money previously paid in has contributed sufficient to pay for their medical care in older age, that is a total fallacy. Unearned income generally should be subject to NIC or an equivalent. And Corporation Tax plus Dividends should amount to equal taxation as employment tax. There is no valid reason why they don't, other than the influence of the rich at Government level.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 22 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't think an increase is what is needed, a requirement for retired people to pay is absolutely needed. If they pay income tax they should pay NIC. It isn't as though money previously paid in has contributed sufficient to pay for their medical care in older age, that is a total fallacy. Unearned income generally should be subject to NIC or an equivalent. And Corporation Tax plus Dividends should amount to equal taxation as employment tax. There is no valid reason why they don't, other than the influence of the rich at Government level. For once I agree with you. There are far too many people not paying into the National Health Service and I include myself in that number. Where you draw the line is a matter of debate personally I think every adult should pay something but that's just me. I have no idea how much your idea will raise? As I mentioned in my previous post lots of people support the strikers but then moan when tax rises are mentioned, something has to give.
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