But you don’t want religious leaders involved in life outside their places of worship.

This guy has absolutely no idea about different dominations within Islam. He doesn't seem to understand that the Qu'ran specifically warns against dilution of the religion. The Deobandis, for example, run roughly a third of the Mosques in the UK, are traditionalists and would find his requirements laughable....They have been allowed to run their own schools for quite a while.....In fact he seems to know very little about the religion.

When I recommended that Britain ban non medical circumcision and halal meat....both for ethical reasons and as a way of tackling the growth of anti western religions I was told that this would lead to conflict.....Well, it's funny that when this guy actually promotes the idea that religions can't promote their actual religion, meaning that their schools would have to stop teaching it.....not something I'd do as a point of freedom.....I notice that no one on the left wants to make the same point.

In fact you notice that the wider left on here are silent as a mouse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2021 9.24am)

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What any religion, Islam included, wants, is secondary to what we, as a democratic country, want. So people can laugh all they wish, but the law is the law and applies to all, whatever their strength of traditional belief. That's for inside their places of worship. What I am describing is what we expect outside.

Religious schools are definitely first on my hit list. Every child needs to be taught, in their schools, in the company of everyone of every and no faith, about religion, all of them, and their history and contribution to the development of human understanding. They also must be taught about the conflicts. What they must not be taught is any specific religion at school. That is for their homes and places of worship, who can provide religious education for those who want it, outside of mainstream schooling.

The constant claims about "freedoms" is a complete red herring. As I have pointed out many times in any democracy no-one is completely free to do whatever they wish. We always must bow to the wishes of the majority and behave responsibly. Any tolerant democracy, such as ours, will bend over backwards to try to ensure people are free to act in whichever way they want, but there will always be red lines.

This is one example of where a red line needs to be drawn.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Isn't that what we are talking about, the UK? Many community leaders in the UK are actually allowed to "lead" because the community is scared stiff of them.

Back in their heritage country the families of theses leaders have power at a local level all they have done is transfer that to the UK. I don't blame those who stay silent as they are protecting their loved one back home.

I am not aware of any democratic process for community leaders by the way I am not taking about councillors at least they have a mandate. These people are in the ones that often the police kowtow to and yet no one has elected them.

One more point

Building bridges? With who and why?

Anjem Choudery was very actively involved in the community. Bombing and stabbing up the whole place.

great leadership talents from that 'community leader'. Do you think he is the only one ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 Oct 2021 5.33pm)

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