We learnt yesterday that Starmer's dad was a toolmaker and his wife works for the NHS, and Sunak's parents are a GP and a pharmacist, who knew.

Ignoring the politics the best two speakers are Farage and Galloway

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Seriously?

It was a referendum, and I won't be lectured about ridiculous claims by a Remainer.
Next you will be telling me that Keir Starmer tells the truth.

The fact is that Britain is doing fine despite a very difficult few years.
The only problems are a government who has betrayed us and an opposition that is beyond hopeless.

Vote Reform. Tell them how you feel about it in the only meaningful way.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jun 2024 12.41pm)

Those points are all facts

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Sure, those are reasonable examples, although none quite mention a wasteland.

I would suggest the performance of the stock market and our economy over recent years are not really cause for celebration, even if they have outperformed the projections by the remain campaign.

I'd also argue the projections out of Remain have been more accurate as a whole;

- Instability in Ireland / the Union as a whole
- Increased cost of living including food and energy costs
- More difficult to import/export, additional red tape and costs for businesses doing so
- Farming and other industries heavily subsidised by the EU will struggle to make ends meet

When hasn't Ireland been unstable.
Scotland and Wales were destabilised when the regional parliaments were formed.
The cost of living generally does go up for many reasons.
It is more difficult to import/export to the EU as they are a over regulated, price-fixers and protectionist. Importing and exporting to the rest of the world is now available.
About a third of the EU budget goes on the Common Agricultural Policy (mainly to to keep French farmers in four-wheel-drive vehicles). It also ensures high food prices, deliberately causes shortages and attacks third world food producers.

So is the fact that the £350 million per week “sent to the EU” wasn’t saved and spent on the NHS.

These were political campaigning. That our economy didn’t collapse doesn’t mean there haven’t been impacts. Or that there have been any noticeable benefits, like oven ready” trade deals. Many things are more difficult as any traveller or exporter will tell you.

Brexit was always a stupid idea and nothing since has happened to make it seem any less so.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.