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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 22 8.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
How do you know it hasn’t be satisfied? A small business who has had a regular customer base for years, who have been satisfied with the arrangements, now have to spend money to satisfy a small minority?
If it becomes a legal requirement they must. If not then that’s their decision and anyone impacted will have to decide their own response. Whether you believe it’s reasonable, or not, is obviously just an opinion. If it is legislated over then individual opinions get trumped by the law. The tidal direction seems clear enough to me. It hits a few rocks on the way but it can flow around them.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Oct 22 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If it becomes a legal requirement they must. If not then that’s their decision and anyone impacted will have to decide their own response. Whether you believe it’s reasonable, or not, is obviously just an opinion. If it is legislated over then individual opinions get trumped by the law. The tidal direction seems clear enough to me. It hits a few rocks on the way but it can flow around them. So if it becomes law, you would feel happy that small businesses could go out of business to satisfy a minority?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 22 8.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
So are you saying transgender are disabled? Good luck with that
Of course not. I am saying the need to deal with the needs of a diverse society means that the same considerations that were applied to the disabled also need to extended to others. There weren’t ramps for wheelchairs when I was a child. Now they are common place. We progress as a caring society. Sometimes slowly and after a battle but progress we do.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Oct 22 9.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not. I am saying the need to deal with the needs of a diverse society means that the same considerations that were applied to the disabled also need to extended to others. There weren’t ramps for wheelchairs when I was a child. Now they are common place. We progress as a caring society. Sometimes slowly and after a battle but progress we do. Progress for a few. Not for the women and girls involved.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 22 9.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
So if it becomes law, you would feel happy that small businesses could go out of business to satisfy a minority? You are clutching at straws! They won’t. Everyone who provides changing facilities will face the same requirement. There would be grants, exceptions and time to comply. The costs would not be excessive. New requirements appear routinely and are an accepted part of running a business. How many failed because they had to build a wheelchair ramp?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 22 9.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Progress for a few. Not for the women and girls involved. Any progress for a minority is, by definition, for the few. That is no reason why not to do it. One of the marks of a civilised democracy is how it treats minorities. As it doesn’t disadvantage the majority what’s the problem? Indeed for some it will provide reassurance. Win-win.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Oct 22 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Any progress for a minority is, by definition, for the few. That is no reason why not to do it. One of the marks of a civilised democracy is how it treats minorities. As it doesn’t disadvantage the majority what’s the problem? Indeed for some it will provide reassurance. Win-win.
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Oct 22 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are clutching at straws! They won’t. Everyone who provides changing facilities will face the same requirement. There would be grants, exceptions and time to comply. The costs would not be excessive. New requirements appear routinely and are an accepted part of running a business. How many failed because they had to build a wheelchair ramp? In the words of Willo, this is hog wash.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 22 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
In the words of Willo, this is hog wash. Many changing areas, and all toilets, already have separate cubicles so it’s by far not all. Whether proportionally more than those needing to construct ramps is unknown but overall much less as most businesses have no changing areas. The cost of building a cubicle to change is negligible. No plumbing. Just 2 panels and a door. No taxpayer is “burdened” by progress. If everyone took that view nothing would change. If it’s done democratically then it’s what we have decided. Exceptions would likely be because of space, or very infrequent use limitations. Common sense would, I am sure, prevail. This is all speculation on what might be the future solution to a situation which divides opinion. When faced with such issues sensible compromises make sense and this feels like one.
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Spiderman Horsham 12 Oct 22 2.34pm | |
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Oct 22 3.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
A simple solution to this issue albeit you'll have the usual cabal of 'Yuman Rights' advocates screaming otherwise, is to fast track pre-op surgery for these prisoners with them signing a waiver to proceed for this. Let's see how many take up the offer? I'm willing to bet the answer will be a resounding 'none'..........
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Oct 22 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Surely not! You mean they are gaming the system to get access to vulnerable women. No one saw that coming
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