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Stirlingsays 29 Jan 24 9.03pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I find this topic a lot more stressful than most others. Roy Hodgson’s current tactics one of the few exceptions. More broadly, I like exposing myself to a lot of the right wing opinion on here - it’s not something I run into much in my ‘real’ life being a 30 year old Londoner, and it helps me to challenge and better understand my own views on things. I get that...it's mentally productive in its own way. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jan 24 9.03pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I find this topic a lot more stressful than most others. Roy Hodgson’s current tactics one of the few exceptions.

More broadly, I like exposing myself to a lot of the right wing opinion on here - it’s not something I run into much in my ‘real’ life being a 30 year old Londoner, and it helps me to challenge and better understand my own views on things.

I get that...it's mentally productive in its own way.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jan 24 11.39pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I like exposing myself to a lot of the right wing opinion on here - dialogue is always good. I would describe much of my politics to be Thatcherite/Anne Widdicombe/and Old school Conservative. However, i try to avoid opinion and to argue with facts. Whenever possible. the left & right can either compromise or fight. Compromise is far nicer than watching the BNP & Antifa getting ugly. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I like exposing myself to a lot of the right wing opinion on here -

dialogue is always good.

I would describe much of my politics to be Thatcherite/Anne Widdicombe/and Old school Conservative. However, i try to avoid opinion and to argue with facts. Whenever possible.

the left & right can either compromise or fight. Compromise is far nicer than watching the BNP & Antifa getting ugly.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jan 24 11.50pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio dialogue is always good. I would describe much of my politics to be Thatcherite/Anne Widdicombe/and Old school Conservative. However, i try to avoid opinion and to argue with facts. Whenever possible. the left & right can either compromise or fight. Compromise is far nicer than watching the BNP & Antifa getting ugly. Slightly unwise to follow your c**k for political leanings!! Full apologies PV, I just made myself laugh there and couldn't help it!! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Jan 24 11.50pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

dialogue is always good.

I would describe much of my politics to be Thatcherite/Anne Widdicombe/and Old school Conservative. However, i try to avoid opinion and to argue with facts. Whenever possible.

the left & right can either compromise or fight. Compromise is far nicer than watching the BNP & Antifa getting ugly.

Slightly unwise to follow your c**k for political leanings!!

Full apologies PV, I just made myself laugh there and couldn't help it!!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jan 24 5.53am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I find this topic a lot more stressful than most others. Roy Hodgson’s current tactics one of the few exceptions. More broadly, I like exposing myself to a lot of the right wing opinion on here - it’s not something I run into much in my ‘real’ life being a 30 year old Londoner, and it helps me to challenge and better understand my own views on things. Can you example a few right wing opinions ? I will start with 3. Stop immigration, climate pain is bollox,TR was correct. I will expect a load more but you should really caveat it with the left wing reasoning and difference in the opinions.
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The garden of England 30 Jan 24 5.53am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I find this topic a lot more stressful than most others. Roy Hodgson’s current tactics one of the few exceptions.

Can you example a few right wing opinions ?
I will start with 3.
Stop immigration, climate pain is bollox,TR was correct.
I will expect a load more but you should really caveat it with the left wing reasoning and difference in the opinions.

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The Dolphin 30 Jan 24 7.20am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Maybe things aren't as bad as they say. [Link] Great article! We forget the predicted doomsday scenarios of yesteryear so it is nice to see some of them in black and white!
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30 Jan 24 7.20am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Maybe things aren't as bad as they say.

[Link]

Great article!
We forget the predicted doomsday scenarios of yesteryear so it is nice to see some of them in black and white!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 24 9.24am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Scientists being wrong? Come on. There are loads. Here are a few just for starters. [Link] Scientific theory is always capable of being disproved by new discoveries but that doesn’t mean it will be. Some is so established as to now be regarded as fact. When it explains observable events, as it is now with climate change, and is supported by copious data gather by independent teams all around the world and computer modelling more powerful than all the brains on the HOL combined, you can be confident that it is correct. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 24 9.24am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scientists being wrong?

Come on. There are loads.

Here are a few just for starters.
[Link]

Scientific theory is always capable of being disproved by new discoveries but that doesn’t mean it will be. Some is so established as to now be regarded as fact.

When it explains observable events, as it is now with climate change, and is supported by copious data gather by independent teams all around the world and computer modelling more powerful than all the brains on the HOL combined, you can be confident that it is correct.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 30 Jan 24 9.33am
"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." [Hamlet]
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30 Jan 24 9.33am

"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." [Hamlet]

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jan 24 2.12pm
Originally posted by cryrst Can you example a few right wing opinions ? I will start with 3. Stop immigration, climate pain is bollox,TR was correct. I will expect a load more but you should really caveat it with the left wing reasoning and difference in the opinions. Sorry you want me to explain right wing opinions to you? They’re not a secret, I don’t really understand what you’re getting at. The same with left wing views; I’m not going to sit here typing out essays on the entire right v left spectrum of opinions - I’ve no idea what you think that would prove. My opinions on most topics can be found somewhere on Hol if you’re really interested. I will say that I find your version of right wing politics, formed almost entirely by whatever narrative Murdoch has pushed over the decades, with next to no nuance or care for detail, to be the least convincing of any, and in fact quite damaging to genuinely convincing right wing arguments, of which there are plenty.
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Originally posted by cryrst

Sorry you want me to explain right wing opinions to you? They’re not a secret, I don’t really understand what you’re getting at.

The same with left wing views; I’m not going to sit here typing out essays on the entire right v left spectrum of opinions - I’ve no idea what you think that would prove.

My opinions on most topics can be found somewhere on Hol if you’re really interested.

I will say that I find your version of right wing politics, formed almost entirely by whatever narrative Murdoch has pushed over the decades, with next to no nuance or care for detail, to be the least convincing of any, and in fact quite damaging to genuinely convincing right wing arguments, of which there are plenty.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jan 24 2.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Scientists being wrong? Come on. There are loads. Here are a few just for starters. [Link] I hardly think the 19th century is comparable. Often technological advancement allows us to make new observations and refine a theory, as happened with the electron example, but this has become less and less frequent over time with less new things to discover. I’d also highlight that it wasn’t Phil and Barry down the pub who thought they understood electron behaviour better than qualified scientists, as seems to be the case with climate change.
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SE19 30 Jan 24 2.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scientists being wrong?

Come on. There are loads.

Here are a few just for starters.
[Link]

I hardly think the 19th century is comparable.

Often technological advancement allows us to make new observations and refine a theory, as happened with the electron example, but this has become less and less frequent over time with less new things to discover.

I’d also highlight that it wasn’t Phil and Barry down the pub who thought they understood electron behaviour better than qualified scientists, as seems to be the case with climate change.

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 24 2.33pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Scientific theory is always capable of being disproved by new discoveries but that doesn’t mean it will be. Some is so established as to now be regarded as fact. When it explains observable events, as it is now with climate change, and is supported by copious data gather by independent teams all around the world and computer modelling more powerful than all the brains on the HOL combined, you can be confident that it is correct. OK Wisbech. You worry about global warming and I will enjoy the milder Winters and the hot Summers. You are very selective when choosing what to worry about. You don't care much about the destruction of culture, overcrowding, housing shortages, water shortages street crime, casual murder, organised crime, peadophile gangs, Islamic fruitcakes, sectarianism, misuse of the law, the increasing replacement of the British tribe, the leftist takeover of media or even the constraint of free speech, but the weather is a real concern for you. Must be a one nation conservative thing. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jan 2024 2.34pm)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Scientific theory is always capable of being disproved by new discoveries but that doesn’t mean it will be. Some is so established as to now be regarded as fact.

OK Wisbech. You worry about global warming and I will enjoy the milder Winters and the hot Summers.

You are very selective when choosing what to worry about.

You don't care much about the destruction of culture, overcrowding, housing shortages, water shortages street crime, casual murder, organised crime, peadophile gangs, Islamic fruitcakes, sectarianism, misuse of the law, the increasing replacement of the British tribe, the leftist takeover of media or even the constraint of free speech, but the weather is a real concern for you.

Must be a one nation conservative thing.

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 24 2.50pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I hardly think the 19th century is comparable. Often technological advancement allows us to make new observations and refine a theory, as happened with the electron example, but this has become less and less frequent over time with less new things to discover. I’d also highlight that it wasn’t Phil and Barry down the pub who thought they understood electron behaviour better than qualified scientists, as seems to be the case with climate change. I'm sure they said that about the 18th century back then. Firstly, not all scientists agree with the extent of man made climate change or the mechanisms that make it happen. More to the point, even if the worst case scinario is correct, there is nothing we can do to stop developing countries from wishing to develop further. It is a bit rich for the industrial nations who have polluted the world for decades to tell others they have to make do with a horse and cart. There is also no point in trying to pretend that the world can sustain its current level of growth by building a few wind farms and driving electric cars. This is all nonsense. The fact is that the human population is about to outgrow the limits of Earth's ability to sustain it. We have to decide what kind of future we want. Right now, making people spend money they can't afford on so called green products will do nothing to fix any climatic changes. The worst example of using the environment to screw people is Kahn's ULEZ bulls***. It's all just to make money and has next to no effect on air quality. Stop them cutting down rainforests, over fishing and polluting the seas. Tell the Chinese to stop building coal power stations and then just maybe have the cheeek to tell me I need to replace my boiler with a heat pump or we will all cook to death.
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Hrolf The Ganger

30 Jan 24 2.50pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I hardly think the 19th century is comparable.

I’d also highlight that it wasn’t Phil and Barry down the pub who thought they understood electron behaviour better than qualified scientists, as seems to be the case with climate change.

I'm sure they said that about the 18th century back then.

Firstly, not all scientists agree with the extent of man made climate change or the mechanisms that make it happen.

More to the point, even if the worst case scinario is correct, there is nothing we can do to stop developing countries from wishing to develop further. It is a bit rich for the industrial nations who have polluted the world for decades to tell others they have to make do with a horse and cart.

There is also no point in trying to pretend that the world can sustain its current level of growth by building a few wind farms and driving electric cars. This is all nonsense.

The fact is that the human population is about to outgrow the limits of Earth's ability to sustain it.
We have to decide what kind of future we want. Right now, making people spend money they can't afford on so called green products will do nothing to fix any climatic changes.

The worst example of using the environment to screw people is Kahn's ULEZ bulls***. It's all just to make money and has next to no effect on air quality.

Stop them cutting down rainforests, over fishing and polluting the seas. Tell the Chinese to stop building coal power stations and then just maybe have the cheeek to tell me I need to replace my boiler with a heat pump or we will all cook to death.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 30 Jan 24 3.27pm
Originally posted by cryrst Can you example a few right wing opinions ? the working person should have better Life-outcomes than the long-term sponger. Housing, health, longevity, volume of reproduction, vehicle ownership, holidays, type of telly they own.......etc etc. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 30 Jan 24 3.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Can you example a few right wing opinions ?

the working person should have better Life-outcomes than the long-term sponger.

Housing, health, longevity, volume of reproduction, vehicle ownership, holidays, type of telly they own.......etc etc.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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