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cryrst The garden of England 10 Nov 22 2.31am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Yes they are. They are the ones with the resources to check and verify, before they publish. They aren't self-important attention seekers, sitting at a desk in a basement, in front of a camera and trawling through disinformation deliberately placed to confuse and obscure. Who then conjure up stories to suit a predetermined narrative which reinforces the prejudices of a small but noisy audience of the "dissident right". Plus a few from the "dissident left". Confirmation biases and conspiracy theories abound. Truth is a rare commodity. By all means use multiple sources before reaching a conclusion, but don't use sources which have zero credibility. Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write?
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The garden of England 10 Nov 22 2.31am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes they are. They are the ones with the resources to check and verify, before they publish.

They aren't self-important attention seekers, sitting at a desk in a basement, in front of a camera and trawling through disinformation deliberately placed to confuse and obscure. Who then conjure up stories to suit a predetermined narrative which reinforces the prejudices of a small but noisy audience of the "dissident right". Plus a few from the "dissident left".

Confirmation biases and conspiracy theories abound. Truth is a rare commodity.

By all means use multiple sources before reaching a conclusion, but don't use sources which have zero credibility.

Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write?

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 22 7.49am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I needed a good laugh. Sometimes he never disappoints in that regard. He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least One more point
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Beckenham 10 Nov 22 7.49am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I needed a good laugh.

Sometimes he never disappoints in that regard.

He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 8.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I needed a good laugh. Sometimes he never disappoints in that regard. I know the point has been well made when you have nothing to add other than sarcasm. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Nov 2022 8.58am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 8.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I needed a good laugh.

Sometimes he never disappoints in that regard.

I know the point has been well made when you have nothing to add other than sarcasm.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Nov 2022 8.58am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.04am
Originally posted by Badger11 He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least That's a continuous theme of yours isn't it? It's, of course, untrue. I defend our democracy and institutions that are working well, but also argue for change where I think it is needed. I favour PR and want a root and branch over haul of our political parties. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.04am

Originally posted by Badger11

He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least

That's a continuous theme of yours isn't it?

It's, of course, untrue.

I defend our democracy and institutions that are working well, but also argue for change where I think it is needed. I favour PR and want a root and branch over haul of our political parties.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.11am
Originally posted by cryrst Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write? When it happens, I do. It's a rarity though. Stirling being right is as unexpected as an Ayew goal. I think the last time was in 2019 when he forecasted there would be an election. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.11am

Originally posted by cryrst

Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write?

When it happens, I do. It's a rarity though. Stirling being right is as unexpected as an Ayew goal.

I think the last time was in 2019 when he forecasted there would be an election.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 22 12.51pm
Originally posted by cryrst Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write? He's a progressive Don Quixote on his crusade striking at his numerous enemies the only way he knows how. Taking advantage of the right's far more lenient attitude to free speech compared to how his political opposite would be treated by his own politically authoritarian demographic. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 12.51pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 22 12.51pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Why not just say , yes Stirling you are correct, or is that waaay too painful for your qwerty to write?

He's a progressive Don Quixote on his crusade striking at his numerous enemies the only way he knows how.

Taking advantage of the right's far more lenient attitude to free speech compared to how his political opposite would be treated by his own politically authoritarian demographic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 12.51pm)

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 22 12.53pm
Originally posted by Badger11 He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least Yep, he's so far up their backside we'd need dynamite to get him out. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 22 12.53pm

Originally posted by Badger11

He always defends the establishment. It's a tragedy that his hard work has not been recognised it's got to be worth an OBE at the very least

Yep, he's so far up their backside we'd need dynamite to get him out.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Nov 22 10.04pm
I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict. • Conscripts that aren’t even being trained, properly equipped • Actually, just the fact they’re having to use conscripts at all • Soviet era equipment (and tanks) being used more and more • They’re the invading force not the defending force, Ukranians have more motivation • Winter is almost here Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months Only way he can ‘win’ now is through use of nukes, and I don’t believe that will happen. For many reasons. I think the nuclear option has been overblown by the media, and some of us have bought into the fear. I don’t think it will end soon, but I can’t see Russia making any more significant offensive gains by conventional means. Probably just fall back to indiscriminate shelling and turn whatever is in shelling range into another Raqqa. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 10 Nov 22 10.04pm

I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict.

• Conscripts that aren’t even being trained, properly equipped
• Actually, just the fact they’re having to use conscripts at all
• Soviet era equipment (and tanks) being used more and more
• They’re the invading force not the defending force, Ukranians have more motivation
• Winter is almost here

Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months

Only way he can ‘win’ now is through use of nukes, and I don’t believe that will happen. For many reasons. I think the nuclear option has been overblown by the media, and some of us have bought into the fear.

I don’t think it will end soon, but I can’t see Russia making any more significant offensive gains by conventional means. Probably just fall back to indiscriminate shelling and turn whatever is in shelling range into another Raqqa.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Grumbles 10 Nov 22 10.10pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict. • Conscripts that aren’t even being trained, properly equipped • Actually, just the fact they’re having to use conscripts at all • Soviet era equipment (and tanks) being used more and more • They’re the invading force not the defending force, Ukranians have more motivation • Winter is almost here Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months Only way he can ‘win’ now is through use of nukes, and I don’t believe that will happen. For many reasons. I think the nuclear option has been overblown by the media, and some of us have bought into the fear. I don’t think it will end soon, but I can’t see Russia making any more significant offensive gains by conventional means. Probably just fall back to indiscriminate shelling and turn whatever is in shelling range into another Raqqa. I suggest looking at Kerson,
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Grumbles 10 Nov 22 10.10pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict.

Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months

I suggest looking at Kerson,

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 22 10.19pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict. • Conscripts that aren’t even being trained, properly equipped • Actually, just the fact they’re having to use conscripts at all • Soviet era equipment (and tanks) being used more and more • They’re the invading force not the defending force, Ukranians have more motivation • Winter is almost here Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months Only way he can ‘win’ now is through use of nukes, and I don’t believe that will happen. For many reasons. I think the nuclear option has been overblown by the media, and some of us have bought into the fear. I don’t think it will end soon, but I can’t see Russia making any more significant offensive gains by conventional means. Probably just fall back to indiscriminate shelling and turn whatever is in shelling range into another Raqqa. Russia haven't used conscripts, that's the eastern and southern regions. Russia have used their army or called up reservists, all of which have military experience. It's the Ukraine that have used conscripts from the start of the war. Personally, I think it's doubtful to talk about the motivation of any conscript regardless of which side they fight on. They are winning ground in some areas and giving up ground in others. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 10.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 22 10.19pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think Russia is getting close to spent in this conflict.

Probably why they’re digging in. Try and hold the land they have and attempt to wait it out. That’s assuming the amateurs amongst their ranks don’t revolt or wither over the harsh winter months

Russia haven't used conscripts, that's the eastern and southern regions. Russia have used their army or called up reservists, all of which have military experience.

It's the Ukraine that have used conscripts from the start of the war. Personally, I think it's doubtful to talk about the motivation of any conscript regardless of which side they fight on.

They are winning ground in some areas and giving up ground in others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 10.27pm)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Nov 22 10.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Russia haven't used conscripts, that's the eastern and southern regions. Russia have used their army or called up reservists, all of which have military experience. It's the Ukraine that have used conscripts from the start of the war. Personally, I think it's doubtful to talk about the motivation of any conscript regardless of which side they fight on. They are winning ground in some areas and giving up ground in others. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 10.27pm) In other words, standing still 200,000 conscripts. Some with limited or basic military experience some with none. I think they’re done offensively barring some miracle. ‘Though there are over 900,000 recent veterans who could potentially be recalled to service, Russia can currently summon an active reserve force of just 4,000 to 5,000 troops. Fewer than 10 percent of conscripted soldiers carry out any refresher training in the five years after they end their active service. The Ministry of Defense admitted in 2015 that the whereabouts of ex-soldiers are not effectively tracked, making targeted mobilization impractical.’ I also think it’s pretty nailed on that soldiers and conscripts defending their homeland will be more determined than anyone Russia can bundle into a van and throw onto the front line with insignificant training and equipment in the depth of winter. Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Nov 2022 10.51pm) Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 10 Nov 22 10.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Russia haven't used conscripts, that's the eastern and southern regions. Russia have used their army or called up reservists, all of which have military experience.

It's the Ukraine that have used conscripts from the start of the war. Personally, I think it's doubtful to talk about the motivation of any conscript regardless of which side they fight on.

They are winning ground in some areas and giving up ground in others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2022 10.27pm)

In other words, standing still

200,000 conscripts. Some with limited or basic military experience some with none.

I think they’re done offensively barring some miracle.

‘Though there are over 900,000 recent veterans who could potentially be recalled to service, Russia can currently summon an active reserve force of just 4,000 to 5,000 troops. Fewer than 10 percent of conscripted soldiers carry out any refresher training in the five years after they end their active service. The Ministry of Defense admitted in 2015 that the whereabouts of ex-soldiers are not effectively tracked, making targeted mobilization impractical.’

I also think it’s pretty nailed on that soldiers and conscripts defending their homeland will be more determined than anyone Russia can bundle into a van and throw onto the front line with insignificant training and equipment in the depth of winter.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Nov 2022 10.51pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 22 10.56pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC In other words, standing still 200,000 conscripts. Some with limited or basic military experience some with none. I think they’re done offensively barring some miracle. It's 300, 000 reservists. 200, 000 of which are going to enter the field this month.....Some of that number probably already have. I wouldn't know what the truth is as to the extent of experience but I do know that the Russians haven't called up conscripts. I guess we will see what happens on the actual battlefield. However, like I said, there are Russian offensives going on outside Donetsk and they are said to be retreating from the Kherson area. Whatever happens I just want this thing to be over, I don't care who wins what. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 22 10.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In other words, standing still

200,000 conscripts. Some with limited or basic military experience some with none.

I think they’re done offensively barring some miracle.

It's 300, 000 reservists. 200, 000 of which are going to enter the field this month.....Some of that number probably already have.

I wouldn't know what the truth is as to the extent of experience but I do know that the Russians haven't called up conscripts.

I guess we will see what happens on the actual battlefield. However, like I said, there are Russian offensives going on outside Donetsk and they are said to be retreating from the Kherson area.

Whatever happens I just want this thing to be over, I don't care who wins what.

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