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matthau South Croydon 11 Jan 21 11.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree No, I don’t think Matthau will be ridiculed. Likely the conspiracy theorists will come up with a plausible explanation. But should you eventually decide you were taken in, I really do believe you have friends here that will understand and help you readjust to new ‘knowledge’ Matthau. Edited by Mapletree (11 Jan 2021 11.20pm) I’ll happily take it on the chin and will appologise and am quite level headed. If indeed after 20th nothing happens I was never a conspiracy theorist before and I despised trump aswell pre March.
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South Croydon 11 Jan 21 11.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

No, I don’t think Matthau will be ridiculed.

Likely the conspiracy theorists will come up with a plausible explanation. But should you eventually decide you were taken in, I really do believe you have friends here that will understand and help you readjust to new ‘knowledge’ Matthau.

Edited by Mapletree (11 Jan 2021 11.20pm)

I’ll happily take it on the chin and will appologise and am quite level headed. If indeed after 20th nothing happens

I was never a conspiracy theorist before and I despised trump aswell pre March.

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BlueJay UK 11 Jan 21 11.56pm
Originally posted by Matov Is there any point in reasoned debate though? You see for me the last 4 years or so have shown that what I thought were absolutes in terms of accepting the outcomes of democratic processes have been shaken to their core. The attempts to render my Brexit vote null and void, the way that Trump came under constant and never-ending attempts to have his Presidency cut short, these are all rule changers. And now this current farce. I genuinely do not see a way back. Throw in all that BLM knee bending and I really have to wonder about just what the hell is going on. Entire US cities were under constant and never-ending rioting for weeks at a time and all we were told was that it was just 'protests'. Yet some bunch of idiots are allowed to breach security at what should be one of the most secure buildings in the world before indulging in a load of beyond childish behaviour and that is a this monstrous riot that means the ability to communicate with millions of people is suddenly denied to the President of the US? From organisations who allow all kinds of real despots and dictators to do what they want? No. Lines have to be drawn. The Left simply do not want to 'get along'. I feel you've sought to neatly fit a narrative around your own political inclinations. If anything the steadfast refusal by some to accept the Brexit result has much more in common with the stream of ridiculous election claims Stateside - most of which were debunked in about 5 seconds - used as denial of the election result. Trump even directly stated prior to the result that we would accept it 'if he won'. Hence the Brexit-like 'no this cannot be!' by him and his supporters now. It's ironic then that you actually cut people out of your life for their Brexit view, when realistically you've done a magnified version of the same thing yourself and drifted off on an undemocratic flight of fantasy with the US election (which some went to extreme lengths to directly interfere with). With your take here you make moaning remainers look like amateurs. The inner city riots were shocking and a terrible thing to witness, and more action should've been taken at every stage. One doesn't justify the other though, and it wasn't as if one was direct consequence of the other either, the latter was caused by relentlessly disingenuous claims about the election. And only one of these acts was a direct attempt to violently take down elected officials. Perhaps if someone had broken into, say, Nigel Farage's home with zip-ties and battered his security guard to death in denial of the Brexit result you might apply a modicum more seriousness to it. I wouldn't talk down any incident of violence left or right, but you've made the situation on the Capitol sound like some kind of childish jolly. While some were clearly misguided or delusional individuals, many were armed, had zip ties, a pipe bomb was left, homemade chemical weapons were found, a cop was battered to death by a crowd of people - for protecting the Capitol against those who, you guessed it, sought to violently disrupt the democratic process. You should have far more disdain for these extremes than you do any remoaner. Instead you appear to be less affronted by this madness than with the upholding of the election result. Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2021 1.27am)
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UK 11 Jan 21 11.56pm

Originally posted by Matov

Is there any point in reasoned debate though? You see for me the last 4 years or so have shown that what I thought were absolutes in terms of accepting the outcomes of democratic processes have been shaken to their core.

The attempts to render my Brexit vote null and void, the way that Trump came under constant and never-ending attempts to have his Presidency cut short, these are all rule changers.

And now this current farce.

I genuinely do not see a way back. Throw in all that BLM knee bending and I really have to wonder about just what the hell is going on.

Entire US cities were under constant and never-ending rioting for weeks at a time and all we were told was that it was just 'protests'. Yet some bunch of idiots are allowed to breach security at what should be one of the most secure buildings in the world before indulging in a load of beyond childish behaviour and that is a this monstrous riot that means the ability to communicate with millions of people is suddenly denied to the President of the US? From organisations who allow all kinds of real despots and dictators to do what they want?

No. Lines have to be drawn. The Left simply do not want to 'get along'.

I feel you've sought to neatly fit a narrative around your own political inclinations. If anything the steadfast refusal by some to accept the Brexit result has much more in common with the stream of ridiculous election claims Stateside - most of which were debunked in about 5 seconds - used as denial of the election result. Trump even directly stated prior to the result that we would accept it 'if he won'. Hence the Brexit-like 'no this cannot be!' by him and his supporters now.

It's ironic then that you actually cut people out of your life for their Brexit view, when realistically you've done a magnified version of the same thing yourself and drifted off on an undemocratic flight of fantasy with the US election (which some went to extreme lengths to directly interfere with). With your take here you make moaning remainers look like amateurs.

The inner city riots were shocking and a terrible thing to witness, and more action should've been taken at every stage. One doesn't justify the other though, and it wasn't as if one was direct consequence of the other either, the latter was caused by relentlessly disingenuous claims about the election. And only one of these acts was a direct attempt to violently take down elected officials. Perhaps if someone had broken into, say, Nigel Farage's home with zip-ties and battered his security guard to death in denial of the Brexit result you might apply a modicum more seriousness to it.

I wouldn't talk down any incident of violence left or right, but you've made the situation on the Capitol sound like some kind of childish jolly. While some were clearly misguided or delusional individuals, many were armed, had zip ties, a pipe bomb was left, homemade chemical weapons were found, a cop was battered to death by a crowd of people - for protecting the Capitol against those who, you guessed it, sought to violently disrupt the democratic process. You should have far more disdain for these extremes than you do any remoaner. Instead you appear to be less affronted by this madness than with the upholding of the election result.

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matthau South Croydon 12 Jan 21 12.02am
As the convo has become a bit more civil- I’ll show you a little something. In all of this conspiracy stuff, this alt Bitcoin thing was mentioned throughout, xrp, as trumps bringing in a new banking system. Has to otherwise this will all happen again in the future. A new transparent banking system is essential. At the end of the day everything always comes down to money doesn’t it? This is also why trumps economy was at an all time best in the height of the pandemic. Because he was using his own. The federal reserve is the elite. He’s fighting against them So anyway. Back to my point. Don’t hold me to this one, only buy a tenners worth if you do ok?? But, now you have read all my prior disccusions, you know already the presiency is about to change on 20th (isn’t!) Xrp has been mentioned throughout my research Watch this- [Link] And look at the date it goes off sale (attached) There are no coincidences Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.03am) Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.04am) Attachment: FDE41782-A3BA-4D36-BC06-7AD9A49EFC0E.png (505.90Kb)
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South Croydon 12 Jan 21 12.02am

As the convo has become a bit more civil- I’ll show you a little something.

In all of this conspiracy stuff, this alt Bitcoin thing was mentioned throughout, xrp, as trumps bringing in a new banking system. Has to otherwise this will all happen again in the future. A new transparent banking system is essential. At the end of the day everything always comes down to money doesn’t it?

This is also why trumps economy was at an all time best in the height of the pandemic. Because he was using his own. The federal reserve is the elite. He’s fighting against them

So anyway. Back to my point. Don’t hold me to this one, only buy a tenners worth if you do ok?? But, now you have read all my prior disccusions, you know already the presiency is about to change on 20th (isn’t!)

Xrp has been mentioned throughout my research

Watch this- [Link]

And look at the date it goes off sale (attached)

There are no coincidences

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BlueJay UK 12 Jan 21 12.54am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC ‘Ms Pelosi’s aide confirmed that the laptop, which belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations, was taken in the mayhem, according to CNBC.’ Sounds fairly boring Although again I bet there are some presentations saved on there that shouldn’t be! Can see this spawning a whole tranche of made up dross on newsmax et al. Pelosi the pimp. Paedophile arranger to the stars. Pelosi secret antifa messages uncovered proving capitol riot was a set up. Absolute cat nip. When in reality all that’s on there is Phil from ITs ‘How to use PowerPoint effectively’ 100 slide deck of doom. Edited by SW19 CPFC (08 Jan 2021 8.58pm) You called it [Link]
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BlueJay

UK 12 Jan 21 12.54am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

‘Ms Pelosi’s aide confirmed that the laptop, which belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations, was taken in the mayhem, according to CNBC.’

Sounds fairly boring

Although again I bet there are some presentations saved on there that shouldn’t be!

Can see this spawning a whole tranche of made up dross on newsmax et al. Pelosi the pimp. Paedophile arranger to the stars. Pelosi secret antifa messages uncovered proving capitol riot was a set up. Absolute cat nip. When in reality all that’s on there is Phil from ITs ‘How to use PowerPoint effectively’ 100 slide deck of doom.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (08 Jan 2021 8.58pm)

You called it [Link]

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DanH SW2 12 Jan 21 7.35am
Originally posted by matthau As the convo has become a bit more civil- I’ll show you a little something. In all of this conspiracy stuff, this alt Bitcoin thing was mentioned throughout, xrp, as trumps bringing in a new banking system. Has to otherwise this will all happen again in the future. A new transparent banking system is essential. At the end of the day everything always comes down to money doesn’t it? This is also why trumps economy was at an all time best in the height of the pandemic. Because he was using his own. The federal reserve is the elite. He’s fighting against them So anyway. Back to my point. Don’t hold me to this one, only buy a tenners worth if you do ok?? But, now you have read all my prior disccusions, you know already the presiency is about to change on 20th (isn’t!) Xrp has been mentioned throughout my research Watch this- [Link] And look at the date it goes off sale (attached) There are no coincidences Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.03am) Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.04am) Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th? All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can.
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DanH

SW2 12 Jan 21 7.35am

Originally posted by matthau

As the convo has become a bit more civil- I’ll show you a little something.

This is also why trumps economy was at an all time best in the height of the pandemic. Because he was using his own. The federal reserve is the elite. He’s fighting against them

Xrp has been mentioned throughout my research

Watch this- [Link]

And look at the date it goes off sale (attached)

There are no coincidences

Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.03am)

Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.04am)

Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th?

All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 21 8.27am
Originally posted by matthau There are no coincidences Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.04am) Effectively that is the definition of witchcraft.
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Mapletree

Croydon 12 Jan 21 8.27am

Originally posted by matthau

There are no coincidences

Edited by matthau (12 Jan 2021 12.04am)

Effectively that is the definition of witchcraft.

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Matov 12 Jan 21 8.29am
Originally posted by BlueJay It's ironic then that you actually cut people out of your life for their Brexit view, when realistically you've done a magnified version of the same thing yourself and drifted off on an undemocratic flight of fantasy with the US election (which some went to extreme lengths to directly interfere with). With your take here you make moaning remainers look like amateurs. Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2021 1.27am) I have always expressed my reservations about the wisdom/validity of any electoral result decided on the basis of postal voting because that is where the electoral system is most at risk from being gamed. Happens all the time. But I have constantly said that Biden will become President unless there is some jack-hammer of evidence that comes to light. That is how the game is played. What I refuse to do that is just back-away and mutter quietly in a corner (although ultimately that is all any of us can realistically do) The difference between my stance and that of Remoaners is that not one of them ever questioned the validity of the actual referendum vote itself. Instead all they did was try and have it not only re-run but then actually rigged in their favour. If you think a vote was cast illegally, then it is perfectly legitimate to say that. If you want a vote dismissed because you don't like the selection made, then that puts you into an entirely different category. Postal voting is a s*** way to conduct a democracy. Casting a vote should have a gravitas, a sense of importance. There should be a price to pay for that, even if only a discipline of walking to cast it. But with that comes an authenticity. Polling stations are monitored. Covered by laws. Postal voting should be a very tightly regulated process that is only granted in the most extreme of cases. When they come in volumes, then doubts are legitimately raised. Covid gave the Democrats cover to play the system. I have not seen anybody claim that they would have won without the Covid situation. The polling got it horribly wrong, yet again. Trump increased his share of the vote amongst all kinds of groups that we were told would recoil in horror at voting for him. Should that debacle/riot at the Capitol building have played out? Then no. But serious questions have to be asked as to how that was allowed to come about. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

12 Jan 21 8.29am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (12 Jan 2021 1.27am)

I have always expressed my reservations about the wisdom/validity of any electoral result decided on the basis of postal voting because that is where the electoral system is most at risk from being gamed. Happens all the time.

But I have constantly said that Biden will become President unless there is some jack-hammer of evidence that comes to light. That is how the game is played. What I refuse to do that is just back-away and mutter quietly in a corner (although ultimately that is all any of us can realistically do)

The difference between my stance and that of Remoaners is that not one of them ever questioned the validity of the actual referendum vote itself. Instead all they did was try and have it not only re-run but then actually rigged in their favour. If you think a vote was cast illegally, then it is perfectly legitimate to say that. If you want a vote dismissed because you don't like the selection made, then that puts you into an entirely different category.

Postal voting is a s*** way to conduct a democracy. Casting a vote should have a gravitas, a sense of importance. There should be a price to pay for that, even if only a discipline of walking to cast it. But with that comes an authenticity. Polling stations are monitored. Covered by laws.

Postal voting should be a very tightly regulated process that is only granted in the most extreme of cases. When they come in volumes, then doubts are legitimately raised.

Covid gave the Democrats cover to play the system. I have not seen anybody claim that they would have won without the Covid situation. The polling got it horribly wrong, yet again. Trump increased his share of the vote amongst all kinds of groups that we were told would recoil in horror at voting for him.

Should that debacle/riot at the Capitol building have played out? Then no. But serious questions have to be asked as to how that was allowed to come about.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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matthau South Croydon 12 Jan 21 9.33am
Originally posted by DanH Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th? All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can. Wow I’m just a bloke who works in management in tfl, who lives in croydon, 40k in debt and lives in housing association flat with Mrs and two cats I’m hardly that guy. Sadly lol
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matthau

South Croydon 12 Jan 21 9.33am

Originally posted by DanH

Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th?

All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can.

Wow

I’m just a bloke who works in management in tfl, who lives in croydon, 40k in debt and lives in housing association flat with Mrs and two cats

I’m hardly that guy. Sadly lol

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matthau South Croydon 12 Jan 21 9.36am
Trumps already started off the process right under your nose [Link]
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South Croydon 12 Jan 21 9.36am

Trumps already started off the process right under your nose

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 21 10.01am
Originally posted by DanH Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th? All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can. Now I get it. Q is a pyramid selling scam designed by Trump to pay off the debt he built up before 2016. What a genius. No-one gets hurt by that do they? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 21 10.01am

Originally posted by DanH

Can I lump on the value of this currency that you have all invested in mysteriously crashing and you all losing your money shortly after the 20th?

All makes sense now. Hoodwink people and monetise it while you can.

Now I get it.

Q is a pyramid selling scam designed by Trump to pay off the debt he built up before 2016.

What a genius. No-one gets hurt by that do they?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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matthau South Croydon 12 Jan 21 10.17am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Now I get it. Q is a pyramid selling scam designed by Trump to pay off the debt he built up before 2016. What a genius. No-one gets hurt by that do they? I don’t blame you for reacting like this. I would have too. The good news is we are now near the end game now so not long.
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South Croydon 12 Jan 21 10.17am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Now I get it.

Q is a pyramid selling scam designed by Trump to pay off the debt he built up before 2016.

What a genius. No-one gets hurt by that do they?

I don’t blame you for reacting like this. I would have too. The good news is we are now near the end game now so not long.

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matthau South Croydon 12 Jan 21 10.19am
Military is right behind trump They know the truth. Check them wearing the face paint featuring the well known Q image of silent war. That image q has been posting endlessly. Military out in their droves in dc 15k of them Attachment: 58AFBEAF-5236-4CC2-BF1B-F244141471B8.jpeg (199.04Kb)
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South Croydon 12 Jan 21 10.19am

Military is right behind trump They know the truth. Check them wearing the face paint featuring the well known Q image of silent war. That image q has been posting endlessly. Military out in their droves in dc 15k of them

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