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 matthau  South Croydon 11 Jan 21 10.46pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Just a quick question: Is Q the same Q from James Bond? I didn’t think it was but thought I’d ask as I feel quite strongly that when using singular letter monikers people or peoples should provide greater clarity to avoid confusion. The American military top guard have just chosen it. I don’t know why. People like Sidney Powell, general Flynn. They are a part of the team.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Is there any point in reasoned debate though? You see for me the last 4 years or so have shown that what I thought were absolutes in terms of accepting the outcomes of democratic processes have been shaken to their core. The attempts to render my Brexit vote null and void, the way that Trump came under constant and never-ending attempts to have his Presidency cut short, these are all rule changers. And now this current farce. I genuinely do not see a way back. Throw in all that BLM knee bending and I really have to wonder about just what the hell is going on. Entire US cities were under constant and never-ending rioting for weeks at a time and all we were told was that it was just 'protests'. Yet some bunch of idiots are allowed to breach security at what should be one of the most secure buildings in the world before indulging in a load of beyond childish behaviour and that is a this monstrous riot that means the ability to communicate with millions of people is suddenly denied to the President of the US? From organisations who allow all kinds of real despots and dictators to do what they want? No. Lines have to be drawn. The Left simply do not want to 'get along'. There is no compromise on their part. We are meant to just swallow all this progressive bulls*** without a murmur of protest. And then when people do object, risk losing jobs and income because of it? Even being questioned by police because they refuse to accept that a man can be a woman if he wakes up and decides he just wants to be one that day? Or a host of other utter crap. And this stuff is not on the fringes. This is mainstream now. Embedded in our national institutions. It is f***ed. It really is. Deciding to post on Gab, in and of itself means nothing. But this is a social media company that has borne the brunt of everything the Socially Liberal establishment could throw at it and survived. Built its own infrastructure. And promotes freedom of expression. It still polices people who make threats of violence when it is reported. It co-operates with Law Enforcement when it is presented with warrants (unlike I believe Apple who still refuse to allow enforcement agencies to access its devices but am happy to be corrected on that). It survived. And is now thriving. That has to be supported. And you can register on Gab. Post what you want. Defend what you want. Promote what you want. It is truly open to both Left and Right. What is so wrong with that? There's always point in reasoned debate. Without it everyone becomes a loon and civilisation ends. It's a bit defeatist to say that. People are allowed to protest against things like the Brexit result, or complain about Trump and try every legal avenue to thwart him. It's the price of democracy. The irony is those same things you're complaining about also allow for people to protest and campaign against what they perceive as a rigged election. It's when it becomes violent and propagates falsehoods en masse that it is a major issue. Minorities have a history of rioting in the US – this time was no different. They weren't just allowed free reign of the cities were they? There are several strategies to contain riots and prevent escalation, sometimes steaming in can inflame rather than subdue. Also, when demos are that large it is very hard to counter with numbers. I don't believe for one second that someone actually said 'yeah go easy on them, let them smash s*** up'. Nonsensical I do think banning Trump was a bad move. Would have been enough simply to delete his tweets. The ones that broke rules anyway. So I agree there. You can refuse to accept anything – it's your method of how you communicate that refusal that decides whether you want to have a rational discussion about it or resort to emotion and risk ending up on the wrong side of the law. That's the same for both sides. Sometimes I think people on the left and the right act like their opposites never get booked for anything. It's always us not them etc. Blinded. Deciding to post on Gab does actually mean something, if you're aware of what and who posts on there. Which you must be. Yes they do have some safeguards but they are far more lax and sympathetic to their interpretation of free speech. Yes it's open to anyone, but the majority are right leaning... it's no coincidence that it's gaining 10k users an hour post-trump ban. Again the irony is you're claiming to go to a more open balanced platform but the reality is it's anything but, due to simple majority. Note 'We believe that the only valid form of censorship is an individual’s own choice to opt-out. Gab empowers users to filter and remove unwanted followers, words, phrases, and topics they do not want to see in their feeds.' There are rules but content rarely gets banned. Free speech does not equate to 'do what you like'. A common misinterpretation. Yes, Apple (allegedly) don't allow government access, but I think in reality that's not the case. However the principle to me is sound... I'd rather use a secure system, or at least one that aims to be secure than one that's not. But that's a matter of personal opinion. I also fully understand the issues that presents when it comes to terrorism etc. Also aware that Gab had to move to its own server infrastructure to survive... fair play, but ultimately if it wasn't so over dominated by right wing fanatics and was as balanced/open as you'd want it to be, it would not have to do so. However, cause and effect. If not Gab, something else.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 21 10.58pm |
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Sorry mate. Nobody here will watch your videos I suspect If, as we all believe, nothing much happens on the 20th and the sun does indeed rise next Thursday week I expect there will be a meaningful reason that explains it. And the next time and the next. You should enjoy the here and now rather than fretting with this invention. I hope in due course you will.
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| matthau South Croydon 11 Jan 21 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Sorry mate. Nobody here will watch your videos I suspect If, as we all believe, nothing much happens on the 20th and the sun does indeed rise next Thursday week I expect there will be a meaningful reason that explains it. And the next time and the next. You should enjoy the here and now rather than fretting with this invention. I hope in due course you will. Yep. Ya right. What will be will be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 21 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by matthau
Let’s see. Let’s see. 9 days An interesting question that I haven't yet seen asked is, if what you believe will happen is going to happen, why wait until the 20th? Surely it ought to happen now? Or even better last year before the election when Trump's reputation wasn't so damaged. What's the point of the 20th? Or is it just because it's in the future and so no-one can yet say it hasn't happened. After all many previous promised "happenings" have come and gone without a whiff of anything actually happening. Followed by weeks of silence and new deadlines. If that happens this time you had better take cover or better just disappear because you will look totally ridiculous.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 21 11.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An interesting question that I haven't yet seen asked is, if what you believe will happen is going to happen, why wait until the 20th? Surely it ought to happen now? Or even better last year before the election when Trump's reputation wasn't so damaged. What's the point of the 20th? Or is it just because it's in the future and so no-one can yet say it hasn't happened. After all many previous promised "happenings" have come and gone without a whiff of anything actually happening. Followed by weeks of silence and new deadlines. If that happens this time you had better take cover or better just disappear because you will look totally ridiculous. No, I don’t think Matthau will be ridiculed. Likely the conspiracy theorists will come up with a plausible explanation. But should you eventually decide you were taken in, I really do believe you have friends here that will understand and help you readjust to new ‘knowledge’ Matthau. Edited by Mapletree (11 Jan 2021 11.20pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Jan 21 11.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An interesting question that I haven't yet seen asked is, if what you believe will happen is going to happen, why wait until the 20th? Surely it ought to happen now? Or even better last year before the election when Trump's reputation wasn't so damaged. What's the point of the 20th? Or is it just because it's in the future and so no-one can yet say it hasn't happened. After all many previous promised "happenings" have come and gone without a whiff of anything actually happening. Followed by weeks of silence and new deadlines. If that happens this time you had better take cover or better just disappear because you will look totally ridiculous. But who will look ridiculous if it does?
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Jan 21 11.25pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
But who will look ridiculous if it does? I would hope we all will, or at least 99% of us.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Is there any point in reasoned debate though? You see for me the last 4 years or so have shown that what I thought were absolutes in terms of accepting the outcomes of democratic processes have been shaken to their core. The attempts to render my Brexit vote null and void, the way that Trump came under constant and never-ending attempts to have his Presidency cut short, these are all rule changers. And now this current farce. I genuinely do not see a way back. Throw in all that BLM knee bending and I really have to wonder about just what the hell is going on. Entire US cities were under constant and never-ending rioting for weeks at a time and all we were told was that it was just 'protests'. Yet some bunch of idiots are allowed to breach security at what should be one of the most secure buildings in the world before indulging in a load of beyond childish behaviour and that is a this monstrous riot that means the ability to communicate with millions of people is suddenly denied to the President of the US? From organisations who allow all kinds of real despots and dictators to do what they want? No. Lines have to be drawn. The Left simply do not want to 'get along'. There is no compromise on their part. We are meant to just swallow all this progressive bulls*** without a murmur of protest. And then when people do object, risk losing jobs and income because of it? Even being questioned by police because they refuse to accept that a man can be a woman if he wakes up and decides he just wants to be one that day? Or a host of other utter crap. And this stuff is not on the fringes. This is mainstream now. Embedded in our national institutions. It is f***ed. It really is. Deciding to post on Gab, in and of itself means nothing. But this is a social media company that has borne the brunt of everything the Socially Liberal establishment could throw at it and survived. Built its own infrastructure. And promotes freedom of expression. It still polices people who make threats of violence when it is reported. It co-operates with Law Enforcement when it is presented with warrants (unlike I believe Apple who still refuse to allow enforcement agencies to access its devices but am happy to be corrected on that). It survived. And is now thriving. That has to be supported. And you can register on Gab. Post what you want. Defend what you want. Promote what you want. It is truly open to both Left and Right. What is so wrong with that? Also worth noting that the UK government is apparently bringing in a law regarding misinformation – specifically to target indie platforms like gab, telegram etc. it would seem. Although knowing how hapless their grasp of technology in the brexit agreement I doubt it will come to anything. The left will say about time, the right will say it's censorship. On we go, round and round the roundabout
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Jan 21 11.34pm |
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Apparently the mayor of DC has asked Donald Trump and acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf to declare a pre-disaster declaration for her city to help them get prepared for the inauguration. The request would release funding to play for the city’s additional security efforts. What odds on him refusing to do that? TBF 10k national guard should be enough to deal with the matter.
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| matthau South Croydon 11 Jan 21 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An interesting question that I haven't yet seen asked is, if what you believe will happen is going to happen, why wait until the 20th? Surely it ought to happen now? Or even better last year before the election when Trump's reputation wasn't so damaged. What's the point of the 20th? Or is it just because it's in the future and so no-one can yet say it hasn't happened. After all many previous promised "happenings" have come and gone without a whiff of anything actually happening. Followed by weeks of silence and new deadlines. If that happens this time you had better take cover or better just disappear because you will look totally ridiculous. Ok. The entire reason to wait til post election is because they had to show you the cheating. They had to show you how far they’d go. Again. Don’t think democrats. Think shadow government. A lot if not majority republicans in with it. Bribed off or compromised with pedo evidence etc
But they chose this way. Do it the correct way. They need to fight this evil and show the people just to what level they’d go. And think pandemic aswell. The link I showed you earlier already proved Congress has signed a bill making all those conspiring to any scam pandemic, again, arrestable for life, or worse Biden will be done for treason. So too Obama. But this is not just USA. This is global. They have strength everywhere of course (the ones that control behind the scene in USA are just as strong here, and Israel etc. But trumps team are winning the fight. It’s been like watching a movie. Even for the first month my Mrs thought I was mad but I showed her what I was reading with the Q stuff. In no time she changed her tune The biggest insult was the George Floyd stuff Yes it was barbaric but what followed was obvious once you know about the silent war. All well meaning black people protestinng went home after a week to be replace by paid off young white scum called antifa. Nothing to do with the incident. And all of the havoc only happened in democrat run cities. All the red ones were silent. The mayors let it happen. Alongside the media, calling it ‘peaceful protesting’ Until they got a pre figure one day of who was ahead in the poles and all a sudden cnn etc changed their tune. It was pathetic. And so obvious. Edited by matthau (11 Jan 2021 11.42pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Jan 21 11.39pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I would hope we all will, or at least 99% of us. But how many of that 99 will be in silent contentment.
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