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Stirlingsays 28 Oct 21 9.42pm
Originally posted by cryrst And that could happen; IF the EU give the UK a bespoke deal and judging by how Poland are being treated for having independent opinions and laws it's not happening any time soon. Bespoke and eu arnt compatible. Yep, it's full of power obsessed but very average politicians. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Oct 21 9.42pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And that could happen; IF the EU give the UK a bespoke deal and judging by how Poland are being treated for having independent opinions and laws it's not happening any time soon.
Bespoke and eu arnt compatible.

Yep, it's full of power obsessed but very average politicians.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Oct 21 9.43pm
Originally posted by cryrst And that could happen; IF the EU give the UK a bespoke deal and judging by how Poland are being treated for having independent opinions and laws it's not happening any time soon. Bespoke and eu arnt compatible. Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it. A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Oct 21 9.43pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it.

A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Oct 21 11.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it. A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago. No wonder the EU is an unadulterated s* show If it's taking 45 years + to reach a decision. WAY to much bloated bureaucracy going on there. Not just the EU we have way to many average too piss poor no marks running government & it's institutions, we have some 600 plus MPs when the job could probably be done by half that amount if the right people were voted in or stood for election. You get very little nay f* all life experience going to work as a researcher to an MP at 16 then at 21 yrs old parachuted into a safe seat. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Oct 21 11.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it.

A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago.

No wonder the EU is an unadulterated s*** show If it's taking 45 years + to reach a decision. WAY to much bloated bureaucracy going on there.
Not just the EU we have way to many average too piss poor no marks running government & it's institutions, we have some 600 plus MPs when the job could probably be done by half that amount if the right people were voted in or stood for election.
You get very little nay f*** all life experience going to work as a researcher to an MP at 16 then at 21 yrs old parachuted into a safe seat.

Pro USA & Israel

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 21 12.02am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it. A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago. What like ones that say yes and bend over like Ireland or ones that say no like Poland. I know which camp you would put us in ! That is really all they do though, talk and take. 45 years and still no farther on. My Mrs picks wallpaper quicker.... well only just
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The garden of England 29 Oct 21 12.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not yet, but once the wheel starts to turn, who knows where that momentum will take it.

A two speed EU, with different levels of membership, has been talked about for at least 45 years. I presented a paper on this to a trade body that long ago.

What like ones that say yes and bend over like Ireland or ones that say no like Poland. I know which camp you would put us in !
That is really all they do though, talk and take. 45 years and still no farther on. My Mrs picks wallpaper quicker.... well only just

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dannyboy1978 29 Oct 21 6.15am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We are not a Christian country. We have an established Church and a Christian heritage, but most of us no longer truly believe. I agree though that Islamic extremism is of greater concern than any other kind of religious extremism, so needs special attention. What we mustn't do is tarnish all those who come from an Islamic background as extremists. We need to work hard to get them on our side and not to drive them into the arms of the extremists. Which is exactly what the extremists want and what the likes of Yaxley-Lennon is doing. We need to be smarter than that. Y-L is the best recruitment sergeant that the extremists possess. The UK's official religion is Christianity! Stop with your tip toeing nonsense, we know you wish it was a Muslim country. YL the "recruitment Sargent" embarrassed our police and politicians to take actions against Asian grooming gangs, that's a good thing! Our secret services are tracking over 50k people of concern with terrorism. That's a bad thing Cameron said Asian communities need to integrate more Then you have [Link] The list goes on [Link] All from one community! Problems we shouldn't have to deal with, thank God someone raised the issue unlike head in the sand you! Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.24am) Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.39am)
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29 Oct 21 6.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We are not a Christian country. We have an established Church and a Christian heritage, but most of us no longer truly believe.

I agree though that Islamic extremism is of greater concern than any other kind of religious extremism, so needs special attention. What we mustn't do is tarnish all those who come from an Islamic background as extremists. We need to work hard to get them on our side and not to drive them into the arms of the extremists. Which is exactly what the extremists want and what the likes of Yaxley-Lennon is doing. We need to be smarter than that. Y-L is the best recruitment sergeant that the extremists possess.

The UK's official religion is Christianity! Stop with your tip toeing nonsense, we know you wish it was a Muslim country. YL the "recruitment Sargent" embarrassed our police and politicians to take actions against Asian grooming gangs, that's a good thing!
Our secret services are tracking over 50k people of concern with terrorism. That's a bad thing
Cameron said Asian communities need to integrate more

Then you have
[Link]

The list goes on

[Link]
All from one community!

Problems we shouldn't have to deal with, thank God someone raised the issue unlike head in the sand you!

Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.24am)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.39am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 21 7.42am
We are a western democratic country our moral values are based on Christianity even if most of us don't go to church. I am an atheist and don't agree with having an established church yet I have no problem with Christian values of tolerance. Islam is at odds with those values. One more point
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Beckenham 29 Oct 21 7.42am

We are a western democratic country our moral values are based on Christianity even if most of us don't go to church. I am an atheist and don't agree with having an established church yet I have no problem with Christian values of tolerance.

Islam is at odds with those values.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 8.58am
Originally posted by cryrst What like ones that say yes and bend over like Ireland or ones that say no like Poland. I know which camp you would put us in ! That is really all they do though, talk and take. 45 years and still no farther on. My Mrs picks wallpaper quicker.... well only just It seems to me that you are more concerned about who takes decisions than that the decisions are in the best interest of the country! What really matters is that we are safe, happy and prosperous. How we achieve that is of secondary importance. We all delegate decision-making, sometimes through choice, sometimes through circumstance and sometimes through enforcement. Desiring control for outdated concepts of our standing in the world is what resulted in Brexit. If you think that has made us safer, happier and more prosperous, I beg to differ. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 8.58am

Originally posted by cryrst

It seems to me that you are more concerned about who takes decisions than that the decisions are in the best interest of the country!

What really matters is that we are safe, happy and prosperous. How we achieve that is of secondary importance. We all delegate decision-making, sometimes through choice, sometimes through circumstance and sometimes through enforcement.

Desiring control for outdated concepts of our standing in the world is what resulted in Brexit. If you think that has made us safer, happier and more prosperous, I beg to differ.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.04am
Originally posted by Jimenez No wonder the EU is an unadulterated s* show If it's taking 45 years + to reach a decision. WAY to much bloated bureaucracy going on there. Not just the EU we have way to many average too piss poor no marks running government & it's institutions, we have some 600 plus MPs when the job could probably be done by half that amount if the right people were voted in or stood for election. You get very little nay f* all life experience going to work as a researcher to an MP at 16 then at 21 yrs old parachuted into a safe seat. It was a business conference, not a political one. It looked at potential developments, given the strains and stresses that were already apparent and have become more obvious in time. Reducing the number of MPs might look sensible but ignores the work they do outside the House, in committees and in their constituencies, for instance. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.04am

Originally posted by Jimenez

It was a business conference, not a political one. It looked at potential developments, given the strains and stresses that were already apparent and have become more obvious in time.

Reducing the number of MPs might look sensible but ignores the work they do outside the House, in committees and in their constituencies, for instance.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.13am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 The UK's official religion is Christianity! Stop with your tip toeing nonsense, we know you wish it was a Muslim country. YL the "recruitment Sargent" embarrassed our police and politicians to take actions against Asian grooming gangs, that's a good thing! Our secret services are tracking over 50k people of concern with terrorism. That's a bad thing Cameron said Asian communities need to integrate more Then you have [Link] The list goes on [Link] All from one community! Problems we shouldn't have to deal with, thank God someone raised the issue unlike head in the sand you! Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.24am) Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.39am) Of course, I don't want the UK to be a Muslim country. I am an atheist. I believe many of our problems are caused by religion and would like to see them all fade away and be replaced by the mutual respect of humanism. What we are "officially" is worse than irrelevant. It erects another unnecessary barrier to progress. We can celebrate our Christian history, and the lessons of peace and compassion it teaches, without compromising our future. Knowledge evolves and standing in its way is stupid. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.13am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Then you have
[Link]

The list goes on

[Link]
All from one community!

Problems we shouldn't have to deal with, thank God someone raised the issue unlike head in the sand you!

Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.24am)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Oct 2021 6.39am)

Of course, I don't want the UK to be a Muslim country. I am an atheist. I believe many of our problems are caused by religion and would like to see them all fade away and be replaced by the mutual respect of humanism.

What we are "officially" is worse than irrelevant. It erects another unnecessary barrier to progress. We can celebrate our Christian history, and the lessons of peace and compassion it teaches, without compromising our future. Knowledge evolves and standing in its way is stupid.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.22am
Originally posted by Badger11 We are a western democratic country our moral values are based on Christianity even if most of us don't go to church. I am an atheist and don't agree with having an established church yet I have no problem with Christian values of tolerance. Islam is at odds with those values. Then you and I are almost on the same page. I was a choirboy and server and my vicar wanted me to serve in the "Church Army". I think an established church is no longer of any benefit and when things outlive their usefulness they should go. Islam is indeed at odds with some of Christianity's values, but it shares others. Reducing the official relevance of all religions would be a useful step in reducing the threat posed by extreme interpretations of any of them. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 29 Oct 21 9.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

Islam is at odds with those values.

Then you and I are almost on the same page. I was a choirboy and server and my vicar wanted me to serve in the "Church Army".

I think an established church is no longer of any benefit and when things outlive their usefulness they should go.

Islam is indeed at odds with some of Christianity's values, but it shares others. Reducing the official relevance of all religions would be a useful step in reducing the threat posed by extreme interpretations of any of them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Matov 29 Oct 21 10.02am
The West faces a simple choice. It either rediscovers its Christian identity or else it dies. This utter 'Imagine' fallacy of a West devoid of any spiritual identity that will somehow gather together its new multi-racial/cultural populace into some huge Coca-Cola advert type of future where we all sit around, weaving flowers into each others hair whilst all enjoying mutual respect and harmony is perhaps the single biggest threat we face. A lie sold to you by a political class who sold their souls a long time ago to corporations who just want you as faceless, formless consumers. You want to be a real rebel in todays culture? Meet a girl, get married in church, raise a family, make sacrifices. And yes, I am sure that even my fellow travellers on the Right are going to pour scorn and mockery on my assertions and that is fine. Fill your boots. But never kid yourself about how Western civilisation developed. What drove it. Christianity. For every harm done, at least a thousand goods. There is no Godless future. Only question is which God do you want to live under? The one whose followers created the greatest civilisation ever known to mankind? Or the others. Not a popular question to pose, I acknowledge that, but the most relevant one you will face, not only for yourself but for your childrens children. But never kid yourself that nonsense such as humanism has any answers what so ever. All it offers is destruction. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Oct 21 10.02am

The West faces a simple choice. It either rediscovers its Christian identity or else it dies.

This utter 'Imagine' fallacy of a West devoid of any spiritual identity that will somehow gather together its new multi-racial/cultural populace into some huge Coca-Cola advert type of future where we all sit around, weaving flowers into each others hair whilst all enjoying mutual respect and harmony is perhaps the single biggest threat we face. A lie sold to you by a political class who sold their souls a long time ago to corporations who just want you as faceless, formless consumers.

You want to be a real rebel in todays culture? Meet a girl, get married in church, raise a family, make sacrifices.

And yes, I am sure that even my fellow travellers on the Right are going to pour scorn and mockery on my assertions and that is fine. Fill your boots.

But never kid yourself about how Western civilisation developed. What drove it. Christianity. For every harm done, at least a thousand goods.

There is no Godless future. Only question is which God do you want to live under? The one whose followers created the greatest civilisation ever known to mankind? Or the others. Not a popular question to pose, I acknowledge that, but the most relevant one you will face, not only for yourself but for your childrens children.

But never kid yourself that nonsense such as humanism has any answers what so ever. All it offers is destruction.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 21 10.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It seems to me that you are more concerned about who takes decisions than that the decisions are in the best interest of the country! What really matters is that we are safe, happy and prosperous. How we achieve that is of secondary importance. We all delegate decision-making, sometimes through choice, sometimes through circumstance and sometimes through enforcement. Desiring control for outdated concepts of our standing in the world is what resulted in Brexit. If you think that has made us safer, happier and more prosperous, I beg to differ. Safe!!! Ask the families of terrorist murders how safe they feel. Ask 1000s of white girls how safe they feel. Yes I know we are atm dealing with nutters who have no respect for women but isolate that from this topic before you throw it in. Brexit was a choice, staying was a choice. Only one winner I'm afraid.
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The garden of England 29 Oct 21 10.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems to me that you are more concerned about who takes decisions than that the decisions are in the best interest of the country!

Desiring control for outdated concepts of our standing in the world is what resulted in Brexit. If you think that has made us safer, happier and more prosperous, I beg to differ.

Safe!!!
Ask the families of terrorist murders how safe they feel.
Ask 1000s of white girls how safe they feel. Yes I know we are atm dealing with nutters who have no respect for women but isolate that from this topic before you throw it in.
Brexit was a choice, staying was a choice.
Only one winner I'm afraid.

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