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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jun 17 10.36am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't know where you get this stuff from. It was a manifesto of flimsily costed promises, most of which would not have materialised or cost the tax payer a fortune. Presumably he got it from the result. Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media.
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Mapletree

Croydon 09 Jun 17 10.36am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't know where you get this stuff from.
It was a manifesto of flimsily costed promises, most of which would not have materialised or cost the tax payer a fortune.

Presumably he got it from the result.

Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media.

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Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 10.37am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid. But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together. Thank you for articulating my point a lot better than me. Exactly this We're the Arthur over ere!
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Mstrobez

09 Jun 17 10.37am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid.

But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together.

Thank you for articulating my point a lot better than me. Exactly this

We're the Arthur over ere!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't know where you get this stuff from. It was a manifesto of flimsily costed promises, most of which would not have materialised or cost the tax payer a fortune. I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them. I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Jun 17 10.39am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't know where you get this stuff from.
It was a manifesto of flimsily costed promises, most of which would not have materialised or cost the tax payer a fortune.

I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them.

I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Originally posted by Willo Hrolf That's an understatement. People say she should resign. Then what ? She is between a 'Rock and a hard place'. My view is that she should stay. Quite. And there is the added complication of the terrorist threat. I'm not sure we need a change of leadership at this delectate time when the pool of candidates to replace her looks less that inspiring.
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09 Jun 17 10.39am

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Originally posted by Willo

Hrolf

That's an understatement.

People say she should resign. Then what ?
She is between a 'Rock and a hard place'.
My view is that she should stay.

Quite.
And there is the added complication of the terrorist threat. I'm not sure we need a change of leadership at this delectate time when the pool of candidates to replace her looks less that inspiring.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Talk facts. Please give me the "swingeing increase" in numbers because I've read the labour manifesto and am yet to find it. Please elaborate on drawing that conclusion. 'Corporation Tax' up from 19% to 26% which would be the biggest tax incrsae in 3 decades. I am reminded of this : “Corporation tax is one of the more damaging taxes on growth and affects where companies choose to locate,” said Helen Miller, an associate director at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, citing evidence from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. “Putting the rate back up would be pretty bad for investment, jobs and wages.” Anyway, Labour cannot increase it as they are NOT in Government having lost the election.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.39am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Talk facts. Please give me the "swingeing increase" in numbers because I've read the labour manifesto and am yet to find it. Please elaborate on drawing that conclusion.

'Corporation Tax' up from 19% to 26% which would be the biggest tax incrsae in 3 decades.

I am reminded of this :

“Corporation tax is one of the more damaging taxes on growth and affects where companies choose to locate,” said Helen Miller, an associate director at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, citing evidence from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. “Putting the rate back up would be pretty bad for investment, jobs and wages.”

Anyway, Labour cannot increase it as they are NOT in Government having lost the election.

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Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Labour supporters - 'May should resign after a bad election' Corbyn still loses, yet want him to stay May resigns and a new leader elected Labour Supporters - 'A new election should be held, no one voted for this new prime minister' You can't win.
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09 Jun 17 10.39am

Labour supporters - 'May should resign after a bad election'
Corbyn still loses, yet want him to stay
May resigns and a new leader elected
Labour Supporters - 'A new election should be held, no one voted for this new prime minister'

You can't win.

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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I never liked may as Prime minister but she is in a difficult position. She has to put Brexit first because that is of paramount importance to the country and is far more important than party political considerations. If Brexit were not upon us, she should walk immediately. Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I never liked may as Prime minister but she is in a difficult position.
She has to put Brexit first because that is of paramount importance to the country and is far more important than party political considerations. If Brexit were not upon us, she should walk immediately.

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.42am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them. I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it. Don't we all? But it just isn't that simple is it. If it was, the Tories would be doing it. Who makes unpopular, vote losing policy for the sake of it?
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Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them.

I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it.

Don't we all?

But it just isn't that simple is it.
If it was, the Tories would be doing it. Who makes unpopular, vote losing policy for the sake of it?

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.44am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. That is very speculative and sums up the Remain view. Keep having a referendum till we win. Remember that a backlash creates a backlash.
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Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

That is very speculative and sums up the Remain view. Keep having a referendum till we win.

Remember that a backlash creates a backlash.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.44am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid. But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together. Not at all. Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy. Anyway we can go on and on about policy in relation to both parties, I'm more concerned about the repercussions of the GE election so perhaps I should concentrate on this otherwise I can see a WILLO thread appearing.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid.

But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together.

Not at all.

Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy.

Anyway we can go on and on about policy in relation to both parties, I'm more concerned about the repercussions of the GE election so perhaps I should concentrate on this otherwise I can see a WILLO thread appearing.

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Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.45am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. Well that's incorrect. 68% on Yougov say they would leave, add that to the mild Eurosceptic views of those in the middle. And the fall in SNP votes, and small increase to Lip dems. Tories didn't get the entire UKIP vote, and Labour were not campaigning to stay in the EU. UKIP vote was shared. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.46am)
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Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.45am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

Well that's incorrect. 68% on Yougov say they would leave, add that to the mild Eurosceptic views of those in the middle. And the fall in SNP votes, and small increase to Lip dems.

Tories didn't get the entire UKIP vote, and Labour were not campaigning to stay in the EU. UKIP vote was shared.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.46am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.47am
Originally posted by Mapletree Presumably he got it from the result. Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media. Er, Labour lost by 50 plus seats despite a shocking Tory campaign. And I suppose Teresa May wasn't abused by the very left wing visual media?
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Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.47am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Presumably he got it from the result.

Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media.

Er, Labour lost by 50 plus seats despite a shocking Tory campaign.
And I suppose Teresa May wasn't abused by the very left wing visual media?

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