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 silvertop  Portishead 15 May 20 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Every word you have said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Go take a look at the Panorama programme the other night and in particular the undertakers in East London who had to buy not hire refrigerated containers to house at one point was 400 bodies and most poignant was the bosses comments that many of those had gone far too early in some cases in their 30’s. Can you then imagine what your ridiculous herd theory would have created? We had it easy with our lockdown go speak to people in Spain and Italy who endured far tougher restrictions. I'll give you sense. 4 years minimum for an effective vaccine. Absent herd immunity that means restrictions till then. 8 weeks and people are already going cabin. By 4 years I guarantee you will see the opinion on this thread changing to f**k it I wanna go to the pub. My mum is 83 with vascular issues and has just been given an order to self isolate to late June. I am not callous. But the directive needs to be more surgically focused with the emphasis on personal freedom and a vibrant economy and not keeping the R level at zero
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| silvertop Portishead 15 May 20 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The economy is going to be up s*** creek for quite a while but just imagine if we had no lockdown and many, many young and middle aged taxpayers had died - our economy would have been even further up the creek without the proverbial paddle 0.9% fatality rate most of whom have debilitating conditions that do not make them major contributors to the economy.
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| silvertop Portishead 15 May 20 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Italy have probably hugely underestimated their covid deaths. I means really underestimated. Ahem they are not alone.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 15 May 20 10.57pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Grow some balls soy boy. Stirling spotted on a recent shopping trip-
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Attachment: | Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 May 20 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'll give you sense. 4 years minimum for an effective vaccine. Absent herd immunity that means restrictions till then. 8 weeks and people are already going cabin. By 4 years I guarantee you will see the opinion on this thread changing to f**k it I wanna go to the pub. My mum is 83 with vascular issues and has just been given an order to self isolate to late June. I am not callous. But the directive needs to be more surgically focused with the emphasis on personal freedom and a vibrant economy and not keeping the R level at zero Where do you get your 4 years from? Nobody really knows. Either whether there will be one or how long it will take. Most informed opinion seems to think it will be a year. The hard lockdown was to give us a breathing space. Now it has the crisis will be managed to ensure the least harm is done. If it is 4 years before a vaccine is found then all bets are off and a reassessment will be needed. Until then we will manage it the way we are. Personal freedoms are worthless unless they are matched by collective responsibility. We all have to forgo some of the former to achieve the latter. What is a "vibrant economy"? One where some have ever more things and the non-productive can be dispensed with? Or one where we all have enough and people are protected from pandemics?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 May 20 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
0.9% fatality rate most of whom have debilitating conditions that do not make them major contributors to the economy. I think this presents a picture rather closer to the truth. It's the overall death rate year on year comparisons that will show the true outcomes of the pandemic:-
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| Stirlingsays 15 May 20 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Stirling spotted on a recent shopping trip-
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Teddy Eagle  15 May 20 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where do you get your 4 years from? Nobody really knows. Either whether there will be one or how long it will take. Most informed opinion seems to think it will be a year. The hard lockdown was to give us a breathing space. Now it has the crisis will be managed to ensure the least harm is done. If it is 4 years before a vaccine is found then all bets are off and a reassessment will be needed. Until then we will manage it the way we are. Personal freedoms are worthless unless they are matched by collective responsibility. We all have to forgo some of the former to achieve the latter. What is a "vibrant economy"? One where some have ever more things and the non-productive can be dispensed with? Or one where we all have enough and people are protected from pandemics? This informed opinion doesn’t think it’ll be a year.
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| Stirlingsays 15 May 20 11.43pm |
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There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus. It's not as though we have only just started trying. Anyone who suggests a policy based upon an expectation or hope is suggesting a dangerous game. We should proceed as though no vaccine will be successful and hope that medical science succeeds where it hasn't before. We can definitely expect treatment to get more successful and for drugs to be developed......but we need to be realistic rather than hopeful. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2020 12.11am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 16 May 20 5.45am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You may have missed the stat that the overwhelming number of deaths would have died this year anyway. Around 1500 die every day in the UK. It is part of the natural order. 17000 a year from flu every year. Dont see lockdown for that. True but not necessarily these people.
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| cryrst The garden of England 16 May 20 5.46am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More stretched in the case of James Cordon. Yeh I have to admit he wasnt actually on the radar
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 May 20 6.34am |
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It seems that the Tories are not the only doing a bad job on the virus.
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