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Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
1.Yes the young have been conned by the 'Promised Land'. God help the future of our country when the young are so easily led. 2. Conservative campaign was very disappointing as was the manifesto. Questions need to be asked on both scores. I think some of the Corbyn vote just preferred Labour over what May was offering and weren't nearly as idealistic and "naive" as many make them out to be. I've said consistently that I think the scale of changes Corbyn was proposing were far fetched and he'd have to water it down but as a whole it was a step in the right direction, especially for public services that we all seem to agree we want but appear to have no viable idea of how to fund. I know that's hard for some of you to conceive and I'm just living with the fairies but I think many have looked at society and rejected the notion that we must accept our lot and corporations/wealthy paying slightly more (and still less than somewhere like Germany) is so absurd and reckless. To this day not one Tory has actually explained *how* these ideas are the insanity they are made out to be. Edited by Mstrobez (09 Jun 2017 10.18am) Edited by Mstrobez (09 Jun 2017 10.21am)
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 09 Jun 17 10.17am | |
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Theresa May facing the press today...
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chesterfieldeagle 09 Jun 17 10.18am | |
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Really don't understand labour voters celebrating a loss. I don't vote I think they're all c***s but thank God that odious man and his cronies didn't get in.
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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed they have been "Mugged" but that said, I have serious questions regarding the Conservative campaign and manifesto I am a fervent supporter of many,many years. I have been accused on here of being a 'Troll' and other things.Rest assured this isn't true - I am giving my genuine opinions about the Conservatives and I take NO please in being negative about them. Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2017 10.13am) You two, what are you like? The Tories have been mugging the country every chance they get since 1979. And the sooner you desist from patronising voters aged under 35 the sooner you will have your fingers on the pulse. You are old fogeys politically. You are not alone tbf. Tories still managed 42% of the vote.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They have made May and her warped visions long-term untenable. That is a victory of sorts. Plus, another election in October will see The Tories weakened even more. Labour are @ 60 seats behind the Conservatives and cannot form a minority Government at all. In terms of "Warped visions", Corbyn had a vision of conning the electorate into believing Labour could deliver on their pie-in-the-sky pledges and whilst he succeeded in doing so he is no nearer being PM. Too early to prophecy as to whether there will be another GE in a few months.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
"No more than 34% will Labour get" you said They got over 40% "....always wrong" Edited by Kermit8 (09 Jun 2017 9.44am) Was that during his Yoda phase.
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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Labour are @ 60 seats behind the Conservatives and cannot form a minority Government at all. In terms of "Warped visions", Corbyn had a vision of conning the electorate into believing Labour could deliver on their pie-in-the-sky pledges and whilst he succeeded in doing so he is no nearer being PM. Too early to prophecy as to whether there will be another GE in a few months. May is going to stay on. Bad move. Going to be bloody. Another election soon guaranteed with such a minuscule working majority.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.24am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
But it was going to be a landslide, Labour would be wiped out as a political force, the public see through Corbyn, totally unelectable etc. Now maybe I'm naive, but political ideology applies to everyone, not just the young, or labour voters. The same applies to Conservatives, Lib Dems etc at the core of each political party is an ideological basis. In the strict sense. Personally, I don't take the emerging political awareness of an 18 to 20 year old very seriously. Of course there is a sliding scale of 'dumb' when it comes to understanding political issues and the real world and Jeremy Corbyn has done a splendid job of pulling the wool over the eyes of the easily lead.
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legaleagle 09 Jun 17 10.24am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All this political talk is codswallop. The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected. Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual. And the not so young weren't "mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo" in the referendum last year? One is reminded of the Bob Dylan song "Ballad of a Thin Man" "You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand You hand in your ticket and you go watch the geek
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corkery Cork City 09 Jun 17 10.25am | |
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SF won't take their seats so the majority needed is lower. The DUP will support the Tories.
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Lyons550 Shirley 09 Jun 17 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
And it should. We're slowly starving out our educational system towards a for profit basis, in which we undermine the importance of higher education in the perpetuation and development of culture in the UK. Whilst I agree to a certain extent, is devaluing the importance of degrees as everyone has one and it's no longer a guarantee of getting a job. What I'd like to see is a significant investment in apprenticeships with a view to getting the degrees as part of on the job learning. I'd also limit tuition fees being paid for those job sectors/qualifications that the economy needs. To have someone having their fees paid for a flower arranging degree as opposed to a medical one is nonsensical and a waste. Edited by Lyons550 (09 Jun 2017 10.27am)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You two, what are you like? The Tories have been mugging the country every chance they get since 1979. And the sooner you desist from patronising voters aged under 35 the sooner you will have your fingers on the pulse. You are old fogeys politically. You are not alone tbf. Tories still managed 42% of the vote. NOT patronising at all. It has been said that a lot of the young and Post-graduates voted Labour due to "Abolition of University fees" etc etc.No thought where all the money was going to come from ? And the price that would be paid for this ? Do these people really believe that Labour could deliver £48Bilion in pledges only taxing 5% of the population, NOT forgetting the swingeing increases in 'Corporation Taxes' on businesses which could affect their parents ? Fantasy economics.God help this country if this is the 'Mindset' of those who are our future.Just being honest.
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