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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Labour make a great deal about "Zero hours" jobs as if they make up a great deal of the employment figures.In fact less than 3% of the jobs are "Zero Hours" and let's not forget there are many who choose to work under such contracts. There is some truth to that but many...well I'd say most actually don't want zero hours contracts but have to because the industry demands it. I was one of them for a time. Not recognising these realities doesn't really help the Tory brand in terms of being even handed.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 4.11pm | |
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If John Mann were the Labour leader perhaps they would be in power now.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jun 17 4.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There is some truth to that but many...well I'd say most actually don't want zero hours contracts but have to because the industry demands it. I was one of them for a time. Not recognising these realities doesn't really help the Tory brand in terms of being even handed. I know people and they know people who are happy to be a 'Casual' as this gives them flexibility. "Zero hours contract" is not a legal defintion but applies where an employment cannot guarantee any hours however in many cases employees in this category ARE offered hours.In actual fact some 68% on these 'Contracts' did not want any extra hours.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I know people and they know people who are happy to be a 'Casual' as this gives them flexibility. "Zero hours contract" is not a legal defintion but applies where an employment cannot guarantee any hours however in many cases employees in this category ARE offered hours.In actual fact some 68% on these 'Contracts' did not want any extra hours. Well I've worked in an industry where zero hours was your only choice and I have to say I don't agree with the one eyed nature of how you portray it. Some are fine with it in some industries because it fits their schedule...students for example...many though have little choice.
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NickinOX Sailing country. 17 Jun 17 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well I've worked in an industry where zero hours was your only choice and I have to say I don't agree with the one eyed nature of how you portray it. Some are fine with it in some industries because it fits their schedule...students for example...many though have little choice.
I've been on both sides of the fence on this. It's great for some people, and crap for others. I liked the flexibility, as it meant I could turn down work easily without being obliged to show up because of some contractural obligation. However, there were times when I wanted more hours and they were not available. As an employer it was really helpful for the business to adjust work patterns to how busy we were, which meant we could actually keep more people than we would normally need. For example, for big events we would have as many as sixty people working, and we normally had about a dozen regulars. Had we had fixed contracts we could not have afforded to risk keeping more than 2-3 on payroll. For those who needed the income to live, it could be tough because I could not guarantee consistent hours. Mind you, for all my good workers I almost always could find them something to do if they were willing to be flexible in terms of the job.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jun 17 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well I've worked in an industry where zero hours was your only choice and I have to say I don't agree with the one eyed nature of how you portray it. Some are fine with it in some industries because it fits their schedule...students for example...many though have little choice.
Stirling I am mindful of 'Both sides of the coin'. Just resentful of the way these are portrayed by Labour almost as if it is prevalent when it is not when less than 3% of the workforce work under these contractual arrangements.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jun 17 5.56pm | |
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is a zero hour contract, better than no contract?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jun 17 9.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
A total of nearly 3 Mill more jobs since 2010. Tories "Destroying the country" ? What hysterical rhetoric with NO foundation whatsoever.
Edited by Willo (17 Jun 2017 3.20pm) Depends on how well those jobs pay. New labour created a lot of jobs. Its just they were low paid service McJobs. Its no good for society to have people stuck in dead end jobs with subsistence wages and next to no prospects.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jun 17 9.05pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
is a zero hour contract, better than no contract?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jun 17 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There is some truth to that but many...well I'd say most actually don't want zero hours contracts but have to because the industry demands it. I was one of them for a time. Not recognising these realities doesn't really help the Tory brand in terms of being even handed. Not to mention how much power it give over employees with the capacity to withdraw hours. I know people on zero hour contracts who don't get paid for the time they travel between worksite meaning they lose two hours a day.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Stirling I am mindful of 'Both sides of the coin'. Just resentful of the way these are portrayed by Labour almost as if it is prevalent when it is not when less than 3% of the workforce work under these contractual arrangements. I think the Tories really hurt themselves with these kind of attitudes. Think about it Wilo. You say three percent...well the actual last figure I saw was 910,000 people in the Uk on zero hours. You say just say three percent....But think about it... when you drill down where that three percent come from...how many of them are doing ok? You can take out the higher and middle class straight away. That percentage those three percent are mostly coming from a set segment of society. The young and working class. Now that three percent actually becomes a large percent for that type of workforce. This election has shown just by ignoring the traditional working class Tory and allowing their standards of living to continually go down the Tories are going to allow in the far left. The number of working age working class Tories continues to go down and down. I think zero hours needs looking at....I think it needed looking at years ago. The 'I'm alright Jack' element that just thinks the Tories can just look after the greys and that this will win elections need to reconsider.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Not to mention how much power it give over employees with the capacity to withdraw hours. I know people on zero hour contracts who don't get paid for the time they travel between worksite meaning they lose two hours a day. Yep, and a lot of that type of worker just get treated pretty badly because they are so expendable. It wasn't a good time for me personally. It's not good for the country that the numbers for this kind of work get higher. It's use should be looked at I think.
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