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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 10.09am
Originally posted by Willo Sam Gyimah, as expected, won by a thumping majority. Was the turnout low? What I'm getting at is did the older vote punch she her with the care tax? I am nearer to Croydon and you know what happened in Croydon central. Maybe that's why it seemed quieter. Or the rain. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 09 Jun 17 10.09am

Originally posted by Willo

Sam Gyimah, as expected, won by a thumping majority.

Was the turnout low? What I'm getting at is did the older vote punch she her with the care tax?

I am nearer to Croydon and you know what happened in Croydon central. Maybe that's why it seemed quieter. Or the rain.

COYP

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.09am
Originally posted by nickgusset Dare I say those that pushed for Brexit,the mail et al bear some responsibility. Cameron was pushed into the referendum by people who only had their own interests at heart. It could be argued that Brexit was a vote against austerity, as was yesterday. Biggest turnaround for a party since 1945. By no means a failure. Spring in my step today. All this political talk is codswallop. The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected. Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Dare I say those that pushed for Brexit,the mail et al bear some responsibility. Cameron was pushed into the referendum by people who only had their own interests at heart.

It could be argued that Brexit was a vote against austerity, as was yesterday.

Biggest turnaround for a party since 1945. By no means a failure.

Spring in my step today.

All this political talk is codswallop.

The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected.

Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.10am
Originally posted by robdave2k I think what has been her greatest asset in the past was her greatest weakness now, "Submarine May" She used to duck under whenever trouble hit, been away from it and then re-appear at the end without having taken too much collateral damage. When you are the leader you can't do that. You make it about I, I, I and Me, Me, Me then you have to front it up. Some people are competent but they don't have charisma. Some are charismatic without being competent. She has gone across as weak, arrogant, dogmatic, passive aggressive and anything but the safe pair of hands she wanted to be portrayed as. She tried to come across as Maggie Thatcher, but didn't have the bollocks to take the criticism when it came her way - hence the Submarine. All the while alienating her core vote by assuming their unwavering loyalty. Edited by robdave2k (09 Jun 2017 9.59am) In her speech this morning it was all We, us and the Conservatives.
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Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.10am

Originally posted by robdave2k

I think what has been her greatest asset in the past was her greatest weakness now,

"Submarine May"

She used to duck under whenever trouble hit, been away from it and then re-appear at the end without having taken too much collateral damage.

When you are the leader you can't do that. You make it about I, I, I and Me, Me, Me then you have to front it up. Some people are competent but they don't have charisma. Some are charismatic without being competent.

She has gone across as weak, arrogant, dogmatic, passive aggressive and anything but the safe pair of hands she wanted to be portrayed as. She tried to come across as Maggie Thatcher, but didn't have the bollocks to take the criticism when it came her way - hence the Submarine. All the while alienating her core vote by assuming their unwavering loyalty.

Edited by robdave2k (09 Jun 2017 9.59am)

In her speech this morning it was all We, us and the Conservatives.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.10am
Originally posted by Pikester Similar here npn - except I abstained as I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them. (Not that it makes any difference in True Blue Worthing). Stirling you seem to be taking this rather badly. If anyone has voted opposite to you then they're responsible for the fcked up country?? Really? I hate the internet on days like this. When everyone's suddenly become a political genius. Fbook becomes a canvas for the world and his wife to spout overexcited political bunkum. People are pretty simple - the majority of those working in Public Services will vote Labour as they see it as better for Health, Education, more pay rises etc. The better off silver surfers will vote Tory to protect their shares/pensions etc. Then a whole load of people will vote the way their family always has done (North East etc.) and then people will vote on whether they like the look of May or Corbyn and what they've read on Facebook and Twitter. A lot of the public don't know anything about politics yet were trusted to vote on Brexit. Shouldn't that decision have been made by people who know all the implications? If you put a poster up saying the EU costs us £500 each a day and it all gets spent on propping up the Greek national debt then of course millions will vote out. It's up to the politicians to convince people that their policies are best and that is what is sadly wrong with Britain now. The Conservative campaign was awful and as Willo said - where were the big hitters? Where the people that could convince the general public?** Corbyn comes across as a guy who wants to help improve the country but doesn't really know how to pay for it all whilst May was pretty anonymous. Until we get some decent politicians and not this middle of the road bunch who keep pandering to social media then there is no one to vote for. People want a leader not a mate in parliament. I kept thinking this througout the campaign. Not only the campaign but the manifesto itself which in many ways affected the campaign. We need to seriously question the strategists, the advisors etc etc etc.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.10am

Originally posted by Pikester

Similar here npn - except I abstained as I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them. (Not that it makes any difference in True Blue Worthing).

Stirling you seem to be taking this rather badly. If anyone has voted opposite to you then they're responsible for the f*cked up country?? Really?

I hate the internet on days like this. When everyone's suddenly become a political genius. F***book becomes a canvas for the world and his wife to spout overexcited political bunkum.

People are pretty simple - the majority of those working in Public Services will vote Labour as they see it as better for Health, Education, more pay rises etc.
The better off silver surfers will vote Tory to protect their shares/pensions etc.

Then a whole load of people will vote the way their family always has done (North East etc.) and then people will vote on whether they like the look of May or Corbyn and what they've read on Facebook and Twitter.

A lot of the public don't know anything about politics yet were trusted to vote on Brexit. Shouldn't that decision have been made by people who know all the implications?
If you put a poster up saying the EU costs us £500 each a day and it all gets spent on propping up the Greek national debt then of course millions will vote out.

It's up to the politicians to convince people that their policies are best and that is what is sadly wrong with Britain now. The Conservative campaign was awful and as Willo said - where were the big hitters? Where the people that could convince the general public?
Corbyn comes across as a guy who wants to help improve the country but doesn't really know how to pay for it all whilst May was pretty anonymous.

Until we get some decent politicians and not this middle of the road bunch who keep pandering to social media then there is no one to vote for.

People want a leader not a mate in parliament.

I kept thinking this througout the campaign.
Not only the campaign but the manifesto itself which in many ways affected the campaign.

We need to seriously question the strategists, the advisors etc etc etc.

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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.11am
Originally posted by Willo This was the point I was making. You would think they had won this election. They have made May and her warped visions long-term untenable. That is a victory of sorts. Plus, another election in October will see The Tories weakened even more. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.11am

Originally posted by Willo

This was the point I was making.
You would think they had won this election.

They have made May and her warped visions long-term untenable. That is a victory of sorts. Plus, another election in October will see The Tories weakened even more.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.12am
Originally posted by nickgusset If you're reading this Hoof, you were wrong about Corbyn mate. Corbyn still won't be PM, and now the Labour MPs will be questioning another 5 years under him. He won't resign, he will see this as a victory like many other Labour supporters see it. (If you see people like Umunna and the Labour MP for Newcastle; they refused to endorse Corbyn in their interviews after winning) The question for Labour now is that do they go for someone else to unite the party, or keep Corbyn to potentially see a split.
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Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.12am

Originally posted by nickgusset

If you're reading this Hoof, you were wrong about Corbyn mate.

Corbyn still won't be PM, and now the Labour MPs will be questioning another 5 years under him. He won't resign, he will see this as a victory like many other Labour supporters see it. (If you see people like Umunna and the Labour MP for Newcastle; they refused to endorse Corbyn in their interviews after winning) The question for Labour now is that do they go for someone else to unite the party, or keep Corbyn to potentially see a split.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 10.12am
Originally posted by Willo She did turn up to some challenging 'Question Time' programmes on TV. She said it was better talking and debating with voters directly than get involved in political squabbles with other party leaders like we saw in that farcical debate, chaired by the hapless Mishal Husain. I can totally understand her position on this, although the perception was that she was 'Frit'. Those audience debates don't have them responding to her answers, or very little of it. Just her answer and accept that's the way it is, which is how she's gone about the whole thing. Weakness rather than arrogance. You take your medicine and be seen and not heard. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 09 Jun 17 10.12am

Originally posted by Willo

She did turn up to some challenging 'Question Time' programmes on TV. She said it was better talking and debating with voters directly than get involved in political squabbles with other party leaders like we saw in that farcical debate, chaired by the hapless Mishal Husain.

I can totally understand her position on this, although the perception was that she was 'Frit'.

Those audience debates don't have them responding to her answers, or very little of it. Just her answer and accept that's the way it is, which is how she's gone about the whole thing.

Weakness rather than arrogance. You take your medicine and be seen and not heard.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.13am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All this political talk is codswallop. The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected. Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual. Indeed they have been "Mugged" but that said, I have serious questions regarding the Conservative campaign and manifesto I am a fervent supporter of many,many years. I have been accused on here of being a 'Troll' and other things.Rest assured this isn't true - I am giving my genuine opinions about the Conservatives and I take NO please in being negative about them. Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2017 10.13am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.13am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this political talk is codswallop.

The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected.

Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual.

Indeed they have been "Mugged" but that said, I have serious questions regarding the Conservative campaign and manifesto I am a fervent supporter of many,many years.

I have been accused on here of being a 'Troll' and other things.Rest assured this isn't true - I am giving my genuine opinions about the Conservatives and I take NO please in being negative about them.

Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2017 10.13am)

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Lyons550 Shirley 09 Jun 17 10.13am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Was the turnout low? What I'm getting at is did the older vote punch she her with the care tax? I am nearer to Croydon and you know what happened in Croydon central. Maybe that's why it seemed quieter. Or the rain. Croydon central is my new area and from the experience at my polling station there were lots of teenagers in attendance with parents.. Including our own. The tuition fee policy is what's helped get them off their arse... Which is a great thing. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 09 Jun 17 10.13am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Was the turnout low? What I'm getting at is did the older vote punch she her with the care tax?

I am nearer to Croydon and you know what happened in Croydon central. Maybe that's why it seemed quieter. Or the rain.

Croydon central is my new area and from the experience at my polling station there were lots of teenagers in attendance with parents.. Including our own. The tuition fee policy is what's helped get them off their arse... Which is a great thing.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 10.13am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All this political talk is codswallop. The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected. Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual. But it was going to be a landslide, Labour would be wiped out as a political force, the public see through Corbyn, totally unelectable etc. Now maybe I'm naive, but political ideology applies to everyone, not just the young, or labour voters. The same applies to Conservatives, Lib Dems etc at the core of each political party is an ideological basis. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Jun 17 10.13am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this political talk is codswallop.

The young have been mugged by idealistic mumbo jumbo as they so easily are and the ethnic vote went Labour in the big cities as you (and Tony Blair)expected.

Don't try and claim some major ideological shift because that is a load of bollocks. Look at the map. It is mostly Tory Blue....as usual.

But it was going to be a landslide, Labour would be wiped out as a political force, the public see through Corbyn, totally unelectable etc.

Now maybe I'm naive, but political ideology applies to everyone, not just the young, or labour voters. The same applies to Conservatives, Lib Dems etc at the core of each political party is an ideological basis.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.14am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman As I said I don't think it's arrogance. She believed all she's heard during Corbyn's leadership. She called an election that Corbyn wasn't prepared for yet surprisingly she didn't either, probably because she can't plan, and when austerity is a big part of your plan, there isn't much to say. She simply wanted to not only have the 'she wasn't voted in' issue and any sceptical back benchers to not derail future laws and virtually remove a load of Brexit obstacle MP. There's also some uk assets she was intending to sell off as all Tory austerity PMs do. She didn't take into account that Corbyn is a veteran campaigner. I'm not surprised he did so well.
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Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.14am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

As I said I don't think it's arrogance. She believed all she's heard during Corbyn's leadership. She called an election that Corbyn wasn't prepared for yet surprisingly she didn't either, probably because she can't plan, and when austerity is a big part of your plan, there isn't much to say.

She simply wanted to not only have the 'she wasn't voted in' issue and any sceptical back benchers to not derail future laws and virtually remove a load of Brexit obstacle MP. There's also some uk assets she was intending to sell off as all Tory austerity PMs do.

She didn't take into account that Corbyn is a veteran campaigner. I'm not surprised he did so well.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 10.15am
Originally posted by Lyons550 Croydon central is my new area and from the experience at my polling station there were lots of teenagers in attendance with parents.. Including our own. The tuition fee policy is what's helped get them off their arse... Which is a great thing. And it should. We're slowly starving out our educational system towards a for profit basis, in which we undermine the importance of higher education in the perpetuation and development of culture in the UK. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Jun 17 10.15am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Croydon central is my new area and from the experience at my polling station there were lots of teenagers in attendance with parents.. Including our own. The tuition fee policy is what's helped get them off their arse... Which is a great thing.

And it should. We're slowly starving out our educational system towards a for profit basis, in which we undermine the importance of higher education in the perpetuation and development of culture in the UK.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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