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Originally posted by eaglesdare

The Ammendment in the European Parliamnet calling for all potential avenues for Peace in Ukraine was defeated by 436 votes to 118.

And that tells me all I need to know that the EU prefer War over any kind of Peace Talk!

Link / detail please

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Oct 22 7.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Link / detail please

Really? Do you think he’s made it up. He has more reason than most of us to be interested and concerned. He lives next door to Ukraine!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Oct 22 8.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Too extreme

My point is that he appears to be always looking for an opportunity to do so, and when one arises, he takes it. If he made it his no1 reason for being that would be both impractical, tank his economy and probably his position and also start WWIII

It's part of his agenda. Not the sole agenda. Two very different things

He's not coming for anyone, really. Just looking to exploit opportunities to bang the imperialist drum and nick a few sq miles of soviet territory back when he can. Keeps the strongman thing alive, and he's not got much else to cling to now.

I remember back in the nineties when the relationship with Putin was different and essentially what has occurred between Russia and Nato is the product of political decisions made then.

I certainly reject this notion of Putin as the Genghis Khan figure that the western media portray and....like I said, the threat level has to be connected to the practical realities of the Russian military and what is realistic both in holding ground and what his BRIC's backers would support.

I don't think that's been done at all in an all out media and political effort to rally support for the decisions that have brought us here.....well to the edge of a nuclear tension where one mistake probably sees all of us dying.

I found Tulsi Gabbard commentary on some of the reasons for this quite accurate myself and she's been closer to power than most....aside from the fact she's eye candy to look at.

I can't say we have much agreement in this area nor on the idea that we would have been here under Trump. However, I appreciate the discussion.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2022 8.10pm)

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Really? Do you think he’s made it up. He has more reason than most of us to be interested and concerned. He lives next door to Ukraine!

Nope

Just want to read up on the detail for myself. Nothing wrong with that - basics really

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I remember back in the nineties when the relationship with Putin was different and essentially what has occurred between Russia and Nato is the product of political decisions made then.

I certainly reject this notion of Putin as the Genghis Khan figure that the western media portray and....like I said, the threat level has to be connected to the practical realities of the Russian military and what is realistic both in holding ground and what his BRIC's backers would support.

I don't think that's been done at all in an all out media and political effort to rally support for the decisions that have brought us here.....well to the edge of a nuclear tension where one mistake probably sees all of us dying.

I found Tulsi Gabbard commentary on some of the reasons for this quite accurate myself and she's been closer to power than most....aside from the fact she's eye candy to look at.

I can't say we have much agreement in this area nor on the idea that we would have been here under Trump. However, I appreciate the discussion.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2022 8.10pm)

Fair enough

He’s aged badly like all men who cling to power. Paranoia and a need to leave a significant legacy will be burning strong. That and in my interpretation he’s not a particularly complex individual. When power was new to him he may have been more open, that was some time ago. Ultimately yes I agree that it takes two to get us to this situation but in no way is he some sort of saint and this is all the fault of the west. Both ‘sides’ are culpable. It is also important to note that only one side is threatening escalation and the nuclear option. I wonder who is more interested in resolution - I doubt it’s Putin. And I doubt he has the word ‘concession’ at the forefront of his mind because of what that would then mean for him.

We’re past the he said she said and the whys of how we got here - what matters now is how this plays out. And as I see it both sides will need to be in a position to accept concessions - I think we’ve got a long way to go before that sort of chat starts happening. But I think that’s where we will end up.

That or he’ll get topped from inside. The longer this drags on the more plausible it gets.

On a topical note Adam Curtis has a new series out today on Russia, 85-99. Not everyone’s cup of tea, too abstract for some, but will be watching it.

[Link]

Edited by SW19 CPFC (13 Oct 2022 8.31pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Oct 22 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Fair enough

He’s aged badly like all men who cling to power. Paranoia and a need to leave a significant legacy will be burning strong. That and in my interpretation he’s not a particularly complex individual. When power was new to him he may have been more open, that was some time ago. Ultimately yes I agree that it takes two to get us to this situation but in no way is he some sort of saint and this is all the fault of the west. Both ‘sides’ are culpable. It is also important to note that only one side is threatening escalation and the nuclear option. I wonder who is more interested in resolution - I doubt it’s Putin. And I doubt he has the word ‘concession’ at the forefront of his mind because of what that would then mean for him.

We’re past the he said she said and the whys of how we got here - what matters now is how this plays out. And as I see it both sides will need to be in a position to accept concessions - I think we’ve got a long way to go before that sort of chat starts happening. But I think that’s where we will end up.

That or he’ll get topped from inside. The longer this drags on the more plausible it gets.

On a topical note Adam Curtis has a new series out today on Russia, 85-99. Not everyone’s cup of tea, too abstract for some, but will be watching it.

[Link]

Edited by SW19 CPFC (13 Oct 2022 8.31pm)

Sounds interesting, I'll give it a nose at some point.

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Go on flight radar & see for yourself the absolute swathe of NATO aircraft running recon around Ukraine/black sea before quietly disappearing as they switch off their transponders.
All this information filters down through NATO & into Ukrainian command.
The US obviously sabotaging NS1 & 2 (Poseidon P8A was directly overhead when it happened)
The British clearly having a hand in the recent bridge raid.

NATO is balls deep into this war

NATO is probably providing intelligence on a grand scale . NATO does not want Ukraine invaded. Nor do most of us. Should we not assist them? Would you be happy with a Russian puppet government installed?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 22 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

The Ammendment in the European Parliamnet calling for all potential avenues for Peace in Ukraine was defeated by 436 votes to 118.

And that tells me all I need to know that the EU prefer War over any kind of Peace Talk!

I too will be interested to see the evidence for this. I have looked at the EU Parliament's own website and found nothing. I have Googled it and guess what, the only return is the post above!

So where does it come from?

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sounds interesting, I'll give it a nose at some point.

The footage is fascinating

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 14 Oct 22 8.08am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Belarus declares counter terrorist operation on Belarus/Ukraine border.

Belarus likely to invade Ukraine in the coming days however I've seen no evidence of pop up medical/logistic hubs so who knows, I've given in trying to work out the Russki's

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 14 Oct 22 8.19am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

NATO is probably providing intelligence on a grand scale . NATO does not want Ukraine invaded. Nor do most of us. Should we not assist them? Would you be happy with a Russian puppet government installed?

I've made my position clear enough on this thread.
There's no brakes on this Nuke train.

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 14 Oct 22 8.24am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

If this goes unresolved, this hurts the Ukrainian military quite alot.
It did surprise me how many were frothing at the mouth when Musk simply said he'd like to avoid Nuclear war

Edited by Ouzo Dan (14 Oct 2022 8.25am)

 


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