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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Willo, Hammond etc being missing hit home this week as did seeing May repeat hollow slogans. There wasn't anything like Cameron rolling his sleeves up with ''I am pumped up.'' It might be void of much positive direction but it shows passion and its rallying people. She hasn't proposed anything I can think of apart from the care tax which has caused her core vote to probably not vote. East Surrey was quiet during the day btw. Sam Gyimah, as expected, won by a thumping majority.
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 10.04am | |
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A good night if you are young or sick of the tories and the selfish older generation treating them so badly.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Why in your opinion do you think she called this election. Was it to be strong and stable or do you feel a little bit of arrogance was in attendance and she believed she could win with a landslide and write her own place in History? As I said I don't think it's arrogance. She believed all she's heard during Corbyn's leadership. She called an election that Corbyn wasn't prepared for yet surprisingly she didn't either, probably because she can't plan, and when austerity is a big part of your plan, there isn't much to say. She simply wanted to not only have the 'she wasn't voted in' issue and any sceptical back benchers to not derail future laws and virtually remove a load of Brexit obstacle MP. There's also some uk assets she was intending to sell off as all Tory austerity PMs do.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I reject that. She's a bad campaigner but she has only one vote. Those who voted Corbyn are responsible for what is to come. Dare I say those that pushed for Brexit,the mail et al bear some responsibility. Cameron was pushed into the referendum by people who only had their own interests at heart. It could be argued that Brexit was a vote against austerity, as was yesterday.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Oh the irony I have ever discussed in any great depth here my political leanings or how I voted in the referendum. But it's a democracy. That's what everyone shouted from the rooftops last June. Good for them if that's what they want. They are the ones who will have to live it come good or bad. The youth were villified in the wake of brexit and told they were basically stupid, knew f*** all about life and had to suck it up as we were leaving. Now the pendulum has swung the other way. So old folk, suck it up and stop being little snowflakes. Teresa may saying she wouldn't call an election and then calling one harmed her immeasurably. It played straight to the stereotype that politicians say one thing and do another. Thought I should mention at this point that Labour only got 261 seats. They lost by over 50 seats.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not really just that. Lack of ideas and ability to debate with those who have has played a major major part. She didn't show up to debate because she knew she'd lose, not because she was confident, arrogant etc. She's a joke tbh. She had that speech on the steps of Downing Street about JAMS and minorities etc and then mentions nothing of it yet her opposition does and sweeps up loads of votes. No policies and nothing to debate. Just slogans. Probably good day to day and cherry picking policies but having a plan and a vision and direction. Not a facking chance. Just talk and saying what people want to hear at the time. She did turn up to some challenging 'Question Time' programmes on TV. She said it was better talking and debating with voters directly than get involved in political squabbles with other party leaders like we saw in that farcical debate, chaired by the hapless Mishal Husain. I can totally understand her position on this, although the perception was that she was 'Frit'.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.07am | |
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If you're reading this Hoof, you were wrong about Corbyn mate.
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Pikester Worthing 09 Jun 17 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by npn
Sorry mate, just can't get on board with that. I've voted in more elections than I care to remember, and Mrs May convinced me to put my cross in the Labour box. No other Tory leader has ever managed that in any local or national election, not even Major! I am a natural Tory, but the direction May is going is a total turn-off. I agree that Brexit will be trickier to negotiate, with more people to keep happy, and the EU will be laughing their @rses off, but there is more at play here than Brexit (which is why there was no major gain for the LibDems despite them being the only ones who wanted to stop it). I wonder if they've learned yet: Cameron calls an unnecessary referendum, and f*cks it. May calls an unnecessary election, and f*cks it. Similar here npn - except I abstained as I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them. (Not that it makes any difference in True Blue Worthing). Stirling you seem to be taking this rather badly. If anyone has voted opposite to you then they're responsible for the f*cked up country?? Really? I hate the internet on days like this. When everyone's suddenly become a political genius. F***book becomes a canvas for the world and his wife to spout overexcited political bunkum. People are pretty simple - the majority of those working in Public Services will vote Labour as they see it as better for Health, Education, more pay rises etc. Then a whole load of people will vote the way their family always has done (North East etc.) and then people will vote on whether they like the look of May or Corbyn and what they've read on Facebook and Twitter. A lot of the public don't know anything about politics yet were trusted to vote on Brexit. Shouldn't that decision have been made by people who know all the implications? It's up to the politicians to convince people that their policies are best and that is what is sadly wrong with Britain now. The Conservative campaign was awful and as Willo said - where were the big hitters? Where the people that could convince the general public? Until we get some decent politicians and not this middle of the road bunch who keep pandering to social media then there is no one to vote for. People want a leader not a mate in parliament.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Thought I should mention at this point that Labour only got 261 seats. They lost by over 50 seats. This was the point I was making.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.08am | |
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Against a democratically elected party representing themselves in parliament. Says it all about you brother.
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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.08am | |
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Looks like May is staying with help from the DUP which means an initial working majority of.....ONE! Absolutely beautiful. Government falls soon further down the road. Shambles. Which is pretty much representative of Brexit and The Tories.
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DanH SW2 09 Jun 17 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Oh the irony I have ever discussed in any great depth here my political leanings or how I voted in the referendum. But it's a democracy. That's what everyone shouted from the rooftops last June. Good for them if that's what they want. They are the ones who will have to live it come good or bad. The youth were villified in the wake of brexit and told they were basically stupid, knew f*** all about life and had to suck it up as we were leaving. Now the pendulum has swung the other way. So old folk, suck it up and stop being little snowflakes. Teresa may saying she wouldn't call an election and then calling one harmed her immeasurably. It played straight to the stereotype that politicians say one thing and do another. Well said
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