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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Jul 16 11.06am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Can anyone clarify exactly when Britain can start negotiating trade deals? I know that the EU are unhappy that there's hints we're about to start talking to countries outside the EU. I think we should, and I think we will, ignore them and carry on. But with regard to the EU... Do all negotiations regarding future trading agreements and relationships with the EU and/or individual countries have to start after leaving and not during article 50? This is what I've read on a pro-EU blog. I thought this wasn't so. Aren't we allowed to negotiate as soon as article 50 is invoked but some bigger countries are a bit impatient and want to talk asap? With regards to the legal position? When this position of negotiations beginning immediately after invoking article 50 was put forward by an EU spokeswoman it was ridiculed as not being allowed by EU constitution lawyers until the UK has actually left. Is this true in a legal sense? If it is, will it be ignored by all 27 and the UK? I could be wrong but I believe because we are still EU members for two years after 50 is triggered then we still have to behave as such. Not allowed to do stuff independently with already existing EU trade routes that include us 'til then. Seems fair enough from their point of view. This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago. No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers. Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 15 Jul 16 11.06am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Can anyone clarify exactly when Britain can start negotiating trade deals? I know that the EU are unhappy that there's hints we're about to start talking to countries outside the EU. I think we should, and I think we will, ignore them and carry on.

But with regard to the EU...

Do all negotiations regarding future trading agreements and relationships with the EU and/or individual countries have to start after leaving and not during article 50? This is what I've read on a pro-EU blog.

I thought this wasn't so. Aren't we allowed to negotiate as soon as article 50 is invoked but some bigger countries are a bit impatient and want to talk asap?

With regards to the legal position?

When this position of negotiations beginning immediately after invoking article 50 was put forward by an EU spokeswoman it was ridiculed as not being allowed by EU constitution lawyers until the UK has actually left.

Is this true in a legal sense? If it is, will it be ignored by all 27 and the UK?

I could be wrong but I believe because we are still EU members for two years after 50 is triggered then we still have to behave as such. Not allowed to do stuff independently with already existing EU trade routes that include us 'til then.

Seems fair enough from their point of view.

This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago.

No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jul 16 11.45am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I could be wrong but I believe because we are still EU members for two years after 50 is triggered then we still have to behave as such. Not allowed to do stuff independently with already existing EU trade routes that include us 'til then. Seems fair enough from their point of view. This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago. No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers. Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am) Hmmm, yeah. For days after the referendum there was talk of when to invoke article 50 and begin negotiating immediately. Will the larger members want to delay talks if there's a drop in UK consumer spending and importing of their goods? COYP
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Caterham 15 Jul 16 11.45am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Seems fair enough from their point of view.

This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago.

No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am)

Hmmm, yeah. For days after the referendum there was talk of when to invoke article 50 and begin negotiating immediately.

Will the larger members want to delay talks if there's a drop in UK consumer spending and importing of their goods?

COYP

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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Jul 16 12.13pm
5 or 6 months til 50 is triggered at least. It's all looking like one almighty mess in the making that has to be tidied up before we can look ahead. [Link] We don't have any trade negotiators ffs. Border control is 'non-negotiable' says Davis. Hmmmm...so how are we going to get access to the EU market a la Norway? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 15 Jul 16 12.13pm

5 or 6 months til 50 is triggered at least.

It's all looking like one almighty mess in the making that has to be tidied up before we can look ahead.

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We don't have any trade negotiators ffs.

Border control is 'non-negotiable' says Davis. Hmmmm...so how are we going to get access to the EU market a la Norway?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Jul 16 1.57pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 5 or 6 months til 50 is triggered at least. It's all looking like one almighty mess in the making that has to be tidied up before we can look ahead. [Link] We don't have any trade negotiators ffs. Border control is 'non-negotiable' says Davis. Hmmmm...so how are we going to get access to the EU market a la Norway? What's the rush? Just because the referendum delivered a 'leave' verdict doesn't mean we should plunge straight into it without establishing the mechanics first. What's your hurry, baby? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Jul 16 1.57pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

5 or 6 months til 50 is triggered at least.

It's all looking like one almighty mess in the making that has to be tidied up before we can look ahead.

[Link]

We don't have any trade negotiators ffs.

Border control is 'non-negotiable' says Davis. Hmmmm...so how are we going to get access to the EU market a la Norway?

What's the rush? Just because the referendum delivered a 'leave' verdict doesn't mean we should plunge straight into it without establishing the mechanics first. What's your hurry, baby?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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becky over the moon 15 Jul 16 2.11pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I could be wrong but I believe because we are still EU members for two years after 50 is triggered then we still have to behave as such. Not allowed to do stuff independently with already existing EU trade routes that include us 'til then. Seems fair enough from their point of view. This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago. No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers. Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am) Why should we? We haven't even triggered Article 50 and they are already saying that we are excluded from any meetings, even though we are still part of the EU and a fully paid member. Life is a two way street! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Jul 16 2.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I could be wrong but I believe because we are still EU members for two years after 50 is triggered then we still have to behave as such. Not allowed to do stuff independently with already existing EU trade routes that include us 'til then.

Seems fair enough from their point of view.

This really is the kind of stuff Brexiteers should have known months ago.

No doubt some backdoor action will be going on within those two years though especially from the public-schoolboy educated cabinet ministers.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 11.07am)

Why should we? We haven't even triggered Article 50 and they are already saying that we are excluded from any meetings, even though we are still part of the EU and a fully paid member. Life is a two way street!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Jul 16 2.53pm
Originally posted by becky Why should we? We haven't even triggered Article 50 and they are already saying that we are excluded from any meetings, even though we are still part of the EU and a fully paid member. Life is a two way street! With you on that one becky !! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Jul 16 2.53pm

Originally posted by becky

With you on that one becky !!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Lyons550 Shirley 15 Jul 16 3.10pm
Originally posted by becky Why should we? We haven't even triggered Article 50 and they are already saying that we are excluded from any meetings, even though we are still part of the EU and a fully paid member. Life is a two way street! Exactly...made me laugh when they denied us access to ongoing meetings...they cant have it both ways...starting tentative negotiations now with potential trade partners is simply being pragmatic...could you imagine us not being able to even negotiate trade deals until the EU have shut the door behind us...it may be what they're hoping...but its yet antother bargaining tool for us...the quicker we're allowed to start the quicker we're in a position to envoke Article 50 The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 15 Jul 16 3.10pm

Originally posted by becky

Exactly...made me laugh when they denied us access to ongoing meetings...they cant have it both ways...starting tentative negotiations now with potential trade partners is simply being pragmatic...could you imagine us not being able to even negotiate trade deals until the EU have shut the door behind us...it may be what they're hoping...but its yet antother bargaining tool for us...the quicker we're allowed to start the quicker we're in a position to envoke Article 50

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blackpalacefan 17 Jul 16 1.55pm
UK offered Brexit free trade deal with Australia [Link] Sounds promising
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UK offered Brexit free trade deal with Australia [Link]

Sounds promising

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blackpalacefan 22 Jul 16 6.46pm
"The Spanish Government will veto the terms of any Brexit negotiation between the UK and the EU that sought to include Gibraltar, Spain’s acting Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo said yesterday. The minister said once the UK activates the withdrawal process under Article 50 of the EU treaty, the European Council must agree the broad terms of the withdrawal negotiation “by unanimity”. Against that context, Spain would “make clear that Gibraltar does not belong to the UK” and would “have the right to veto” if it did not agree with the negotiation framework, Sr García-Margallo said." - [Link]
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"The Spanish Government will veto the terms of any Brexit negotiation between the UK and the EU that sought to include Gibraltar, Spain’s acting Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo said yesterday.

The minister said once the UK activates the withdrawal process under Article 50 of the EU treaty, the European Council must agree the broad terms of the withdrawal negotiation “by unanimity”.

Against that context, Spain would “make clear that Gibraltar does not belong to the UK” and would “have the right to veto” if it did not agree with the negotiation framework, Sr García-Margallo said."

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Jul 16 7.40pm
As long as the Spaniards hold on to Cueta and others, they can fck off with their bitching about Gibraltar. W@nkers. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 22 Jul 16 7.40pm

As long as the Spaniards hold on to Cueta and others, they can f*ck off with their bitching about Gibraltar. W@nkers.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stuk Top half 22 Jul 16 8.40pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt As long as the Spaniards hold on to Cueta and others, they can f*ck off with their bitching about Gibraltar. W@nkers. Yeah, Melilla. Farking hypocrites. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 22 Jul 16 8.40pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

As long as the Spaniards hold on to Cueta and others, they can f*ck off with their bitching about Gibraltar. W@nkers.

Yeah, Melilla. Farking hypocrites.

Optimistic as ever

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 22 Jul 16 8.53pm
Originally posted by blackpalacefan UK offered Brexit free trade deal with Australia [Link] Sounds promising There will be plenty of free trade deals to be had, its in the interest of the EU to negotiate for the same. Quick of the cuff Question How would people feel about freedom of movement among the stronger commonwealth nations? Personally I would emigrate to Canada in a heart beat. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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