Labour under Corbyn was unelectable. Pretty much any Tory PM would have beaten him.

No-one tried to ignore a "democratic referendum result"! That people sincerely believe that to be true is a very sad reflection on how little some people understand our democracy. Something ruthlessly exploited by the Brexiteers. Referendums have no part to play in our democracy. None whatsoever. Everything depends on the will of Parliament, which is sovereign. Parliament has the duty to determine what is in our best interests and to use it's collective conscience to do so. They were not bound by the referendum. They were bound by the vote triggering Article 50. They only voted for Article 50 out of fear, and not because they truly believed it to be in our best interests. Collectively they were more in favour of staying in, than in coming out.

Parliament failed the people. Brexit and the way it happened is evidence of our decline.

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The truth is not semantics.

I know what Cameron said but the truth is that his promise meant nothing. No PM can make a promise on that, or anything else of that kind. PM's don't control Parliament. Parliament controls the PM and can throw them out.

All Cameron could do was promise to try to get it through. He could have promised to resign if he didn't. Those things are in his control. Parliament is not.

Nor can parties promise to honour a referendum result if returned. They can promise to attempt to do so, but if circumstances change and Parliament decides that it is no longer the right decision, then their will is sovereign.

That's just the way it is.

All the fuss back in 2019 over those honourable MPs doing their best to convince Parliament to do their duty was very badly misplaced, and based on a complete misunderstanding of our democracy.

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Does anyone know if the lettuce is standing in the next leadership contest?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

It wasn't the MPs who voted against Johnson and lost the whip, who didn't understand democracy. It was those, like the Mail, who criticised them for doing so, and effectively ended their careers.

Even in these pages they have been described as traitors, when actually they were heroes.

Being expected to vote against your conscience should never be acceptable to an MP. Nor should the whip be withdrawn for anyone who does.

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It seems the normal leisure occupation for the average europpean is to get in some snacks and beers and have a good laugh at the UK political situation.

And in a few days it is more of the same really it's repeat of Truss I can't believe members could have a part in deciding again.

Johnson back? Nothing in bonkers Britain would surprise me.

The UKs political system isn't fit for purpose.

That's answered in the other thread.

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