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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 23 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How is that advantageous? I didn’t suggest it is. Only that it happens. In fact it could be, if those going elsewhere are retiring to warmer places to be replaced by working age people. Not all will be of course. We suffer a brain drain just as others do. That’s the world today.
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Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 23 9.55am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn’t suggest it is. Only that it happens. In fact it could be, if those going elsewhere are retiring to warmer places to be replaced by working age people. Not all will be of course. We suffer a brain drain just as others do. That’s the world today. According the 2021 census there were 287 ethnic groups and nationalities (their words) in London, many of whom have historic enmities towards each other.
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 23 10.22am | |
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It's quite probable that the decidedly mixed reactions that we have seen in the west and Europe towards the October attacks on Israel and Israel's reaction to it would have quiet seismic financial reactions from certain pro Israeli billionaires. The people who have been funding 'Social Justice' in the west....BLM/Antifa, third world immigration all the critical race theory and 'diversity, equity and inclusion' stuff. I think the western support for the Palestinian cause has its roots within the very groups it's been financially supporting. I predict that a fair amount of their funding will start to move away from these areas and move towards more distinctly pro Israeli forms.....Cuckservativism and right wing forms of the left like Starmer is offering....in other words 'Blairism'. Interesting.....If the world can get through all this warmongering that is.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 23 10.39am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
According the 2021 census there were 287 ethnic groups and nationalities (their words) in London, many of whom have historic enmities towards each other. I don’t see the connection to my post but I don’t question those statistics. That we have failed so far is no reason not to try harder and more intelligently. Success usually follows a series of failures. It’s how we learn. What we cannot do is throw our hands in the air and do nothing. Complaining about past policy changes nothing. We are where we are and we must deal with it. Removing people who are now settled or have citizenship is not an option. Refusing family member visas isn’t morally acceptable. Not filling shortage vacancies isn’t an option either. Training internally takes time and lots of money. We must first provide the facilities and train the trainers. In such a fast changing world is that wise? We must find the way to create a common settled identity for us all. I know it can be done for many. So why not for all?
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Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 23 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t see the connection to my post but I don’t question those statistics. That we have failed so far is no reason not to try harder and more intelligently. Success usually follows a series of failures. It’s how we learn. What we cannot do is throw our hands in the air and do nothing. Complaining about past policy changes nothing. We are where we are and we must deal with it. Removing people who are now settled or have citizenship is not an option. Refusing family member visas isn’t morally acceptable. Not filling shortage vacancies isn’t an option either. Training internally takes time and lots of money. We must first provide the facilities and train the trainers. In such a fast changing world is that wise? We must find the way to create a common settled identity for us all. I know it can be done for many. So why not for all? It can be done for those who want to participate in British culture but what happens with those who don't?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 23 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It can be done for those who want to participate in British culture but what happens with those who don't? We keep on working until they do. That involves breaking the generational chain. We insist all children attend mainstream school and mix with other faiths and no faith. No schools to be run by religions or teach religion. They should only teach about religions. All of them, and both the good and bad that they have done. Every child gets taught British history and culture. Every child gets to participate in cultural events. These subjects become as core as English and Maths.
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Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 23 5.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We keep on working until they do. That involves breaking the generational chain. We insist all children attend mainstream school and mix with other faiths and no faith. No schools to be run by religions or teach religion. They should only teach about religions. All of them, and both the good and bad that they have done. Every child gets taught British history and culture. Every child gets to participate in cultural events. These subjects become as core as English and Maths. Fair play it's a solution but is it workable? A third of schools are designated as faith schools.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 24 Oct 23 6.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
According the 2021 census there were 287 ethnic groups and nationalities (their words) in London, many of whom have historic enmities towards each other. It's been suggested many times that they should have to accept and adapt to British culture with no clues as to how that might happen. the bold typeface could be the English & the Welsh. the italics could be NI Catholics.....only 800 years and still a work in progress Edited by PalazioVecchio (24 Oct 2023 6.27pm)
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 23 6.47pm | |
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All this crap was done.....All this was literally said over seventy years ago. It's like he thinks no one's done this....Aside from Christian school, which were few in number anyway, there weren't different faith schools here for decades. What on earth does he think was done when the numbers were small? These different ethnicities did all this.....for decades. The research was also done decades ago....I'll repeat, the best you can get on integration of 'outside' cultures is one in three....and that's pulling out all the stops.....which is at cost to everybody else. It's living in a fantasy world that doesn't take note of what actually happens. Just doesn't adapt or recognise anything outside of their personal belief system.....Similar parallels to religious zealotry. Einstein said something about this on the nature of madness. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2023 6.53pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 23 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Fair play it's a solution but is it workable? A third of schools are designated as faith schools. I realise what I have consistently argued for is revolutionary, but in our agnostic nation I suspect it would get support, if explained correctly. In my opinion there should be no faith schools at all, nor indeed, except in unavoidable circumstances, any home schooling. All children should mix with their peers, from every walk of life and culture. Contrary to some opinions nothing like it has been tried before. It would be resisted by some for sure but that resistance can be overcome with patient reassurance. I am in no way seeking to ban religion or the teaching of religion by parents to their children. Only that school is not the place for that. Home and places of worship are. I am wanting all children to be taught our values and those of all religions at their schools and for them not either to be restricted to one, or not to any. I want minds to be opened, and not closed and for them to then reach their own conclusions.
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Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 23 10.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I realise what I have consistently argued for is revolutionary, but in our agnostic nation I suspect it would get support, if explained correctly. In my opinion there should be no faith schools at all, nor indeed, except in unavoidable circumstances, any home schooling. All children should mix with their peers, from every walk of life and culture. Contrary to some opinions nothing like it has been tried before. It would be resisted by some for sure but that resistance can be overcome with patient reassurance. I am in no way seeking to ban religion or the teaching of religion by parents to their children. Only that school is not the place for that. Home and places of worship are. I am wanting all children to be taught our values and those of all religions at their schools and for them not either to be restricted to one, or not to any. I want minds to be opened, and not closed and for them to then reach their own conclusions. Doesn't look as though Starmer would support this proposal.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 23 10.44pm | |
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Oh it’s much more than just the Labour Party who would need convincing. I cannot imagine any of the major, or smaller, parties yet adopting such a policy. I suspect it will be a long while before such thinking gains traction and for the divides to grow until it does. Out of interest though, is it something you would support?
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