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Stirlingsays 26 Aug 21 11.19pm
Originally posted by Matov Lets looks at this. Firstly we have this incredible Taleban army. Who seemingly without any effort, take over an entire country in a matter of weeks with no air support, no heavy artillary, no logistics network and so on. Super Soldiers capable of real blitzkrieg s*. Or it's just an agreement between them and the Afghan army not to fight each other once the Americans pull out....no fighting for no reprisals. We have a friendly difference on this. Originally posted by Matov But now, having been warning of an immient attack, a suicide bomber gets through these brave and fearless warriors and near enough to kill 12 US soliders and loads of others as well? And how does the US respond? By saying how it is sharing intelligence with the Taleban. And how the Taleban have actually prevented attacks (and this is from the Pentagon tonight). Followed up by Biden saying that despite these terror attacks they will not be leaving the airport until the date the Taleban told them to leave it on? Come on. You are smart enough to see through this bulls*. Could it be suggested that a press release from the Pentagon, clearly designed as damage limitation, doesn't mean that the national press will follow the same line. Obviously there is considerable contact between the US military and the Taliban. How reliable and consistent that is doubtful in the real world. I think many media commentators have poured scorn on the suggestion that the Taliban are reliable. Perhaps you are seeing advantages that aren't really advantages but actually large negatives. Outside of damage limitation attempts no one is soft balling the Taliban in the media, not even Biden and indeed, lots of aggressive commentary is being made on all sides towards them. Just my take. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Aug 2021 11.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Aug 21 11.19pm

Originally posted by Matov

Lets looks at this.

Firstly we have this incredible Taleban army. Who seemingly without any effort, take over an entire country in a matter of weeks with no air support, no heavy artillary, no logistics network and so on.

Super Soldiers capable of real blitzkrieg s***.

Or it's just an agreement between them and the Afghan army not to fight each other once the Americans pull out....no fighting for no reprisals.

We have a friendly difference on this.

Originally posted by Matov

But now, having been warning of an immient attack, a suicide bomber gets through these brave and fearless warriors and near enough to kill 12 US soliders and loads of others as well?

And how does the US respond? By saying how it is sharing intelligence with the Taleban. And how the Taleban have actually prevented attacks (and this is from the Pentagon tonight).

Followed up by Biden saying that despite these terror attacks they will not be leaving the airport until the date the Taleban told them to leave it on?

Come on. You are smart enough to see through this bulls***.

Could it be suggested that a press release from the Pentagon, clearly designed as damage limitation, doesn't mean that the national press will follow the same line.

Obviously there is considerable contact between the US military and the Taliban. How reliable and consistent that is doubtful in the real world. I think many media commentators have poured scorn on the suggestion that the Taliban are reliable.

Perhaps you are seeing advantages that aren't really advantages but actually large negatives.

Outside of damage limitation attempts no one is soft balling the Taliban in the media, not even Biden and indeed, lots of aggressive commentary is being made on all sides towards them.

Just my take.

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Stirlingsays 26 Aug 21 11.27pm
Originally posted by Matov It's all about creating chaos. Iraq, Libya, Syria (which actually has managed to resist) and now Afghanistan. And that is fully on silver-foil hated but there is no other logical explanation. With the end game being the Saudi's get to keep their Wabbist loons focused on foreign adventures and the Israelis are a step nearer to effecting a massive population transfer of millions of Palestinians over to Europe. The first part of my claim about the Saudis is documented policy, since the end of WW2. With the second part about the Israelis absolute tin-foil hat stuff but trust me, it's coming within the next 10 years. Just need a Europe so utterly cucked that when somebody does suggest that the kindest thing to do is 'liberate' those poor Palestinians from the cruel dominance of those pesky Israelis, then it will be cheered on by all the usual suspects. We know who the man behind the curtain is....though they have helpers. Anyone bothered to look at the rich lists and who funds what quickly understands where influence is applied and how that works. Finding it all out is just depressing. No, Europe won't save the Palestinians......though I can't see that situation ending well for anybody. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Aug 2021 11.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Aug 21 11.27pm

Originally posted by Matov

It's all about creating chaos. Iraq, Libya, Syria (which actually has managed to resist) and now Afghanistan. And that is fully on silver-foil hated but there is no other logical explanation.

With the end game being the Saudi's get to keep their Wabbist loons focused on foreign adventures and the Israelis are a step nearer to effecting a massive population transfer of millions of Palestinians over to Europe.

The first part of my claim about the Saudis is documented policy, since the end of WW2. With the second part about the Israelis absolute tin-foil hat stuff but trust me, it's coming within the next 10 years.

Just need a Europe so utterly cucked that when somebody does suggest that the kindest thing to do is 'liberate' those poor Palestinians from the cruel dominance of those pesky Israelis, then it will be cheered on by all the usual suspects.

We know who the man behind the curtain is....though they have helpers.

Anyone bothered to look at the rich lists and who funds what quickly understands where influence is applied and how that works.

Finding it all out is just depressing.

No, Europe won't save the Palestinians......though I can't see that situation ending well for anybody.

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dreamwaverider London 27 Aug 21 5.19am
The utopian dream of Blair and Bush to police the world and make it behave western style is now at an end. So twenty years of angst frustration death and massive costs for America is now coming to an abrupt end. Afghanistan has allowed the Taliban to walk in totally unimpeded and take the reigns. So I suppose at best you have to say there dream was for what? A total failure?
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The utopian dream of Blair and Bush to police the world and make it behave western style is now at an end. So twenty years of angst frustration death and massive costs for America is now coming to an abrupt end. Afghanistan has allowed the Taliban to walk in totally unimpeded and take the reigns. So I suppose at best you have to say there dream was for what? A total failure?

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Aug 21 5.29am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider The utopian dream of Blair and Bush to police the world and make it behave western style is now at an end. So twenty years of angst frustration death and massive costs for America is now coming to an abrupt end. Afghanistan has allowed the Taliban to walk in totally unimpeded and take the reigns. So I suppose at best you have to say there dream was for what? A total failure? It has given them hope if nothing else.
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The garden of England 27 Aug 21 5.29am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

It has given them hope if nothing else.

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Aug 21 5.32am
Daesh reportedly claiming that the bombing was them. Over 100 dead, men women children, soldiers,taliban. I cannot see this as orchestrated between the USA and taliban as an exit plan.
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The garden of England 27 Aug 21 5.32am

Daesh reportedly claiming that the bombing was them.
Over 100 dead, men women children, soldiers,taliban.
I cannot see this as orchestrated between the USA and taliban as an exit plan.

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dreamwaverider London 27 Aug 21 5.34am
And let’s be honest. This as always is financially driven. Besides the poppies, Afghan is rich in many other resources including oil. Deals will have been done to fund the exit and deals will be done with Russia and China moving forward. And with regard to the people, there are c.40 million Afgies. I don’t see a very high percentage up in arms over this. Clearly the vast majority are not objecting. So where has the cash for the past twenty years gone? Out the back door with the departed leaders i would suspect.
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London 27 Aug 21 5.34am

And let’s be honest. This as always is financially driven. Besides the poppies, Afghan is rich in many other resources including oil. Deals will have been done to fund the exit and deals will be done with Russia and China moving forward. And with regard to the people, there are c.40 million Afgies. I don’t see a very high percentage up in arms over this. Clearly the vast majority are not objecting. So where has the cash for the past twenty years gone? Out the back door with the departed leaders i would suspect.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 27 Aug 21 6.17am
Now confirmed that the US handed a list of us nationals, green card holders & those that have helped the US over to the Taliban so they can help find them. This is treason surely? Biden & his progressive administration need to go but Republicans are far too f***ing weak to impeach him. Interesting tit bit I keep reading Osama bin laden had a kill list of US officials, Biden didnt make the list because he was considered such an idiot it was better to keep him alive as the odds on him making a disaster of something in the future would probably benefit Al Qaeda. Not such a leap when you consider Bin Laden was a CIA agent for many years. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 27 Aug 21 6.17am

Now confirmed that the US handed a list of us nationals, green card holders & those that have helped the US over to the Taliban so they can help find them.

This is treason surely?

Biden & his progressive administration need to go but Republicans are far too f***ing weak to impeach him.

Interesting tit bit I keep reading
Osama bin laden had a kill list of US officials, Biden didnt make the list because he was considered such an idiot it was better to keep him alive as the odds on him making a disaster of something in the future would probably benefit Al Qaeda.
Not such a leap when you consider Bin Laden was a CIA agent for many years.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Spiderman Horsham 27 Aug 21 6.39am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider And let’s be honest. This as always is financially driven. Besides the poppies, Afghan is rich in many other resources including oil. Deals will have been done to fund the exit and deals will be done with Russia and China moving forward. And with regard to the people, there are c.40 million Afgies. I don’t see a very high percentage up in arms over this. Clearly the vast majority are not objecting. So where has the cash for the past twenty years gone? Out the back door with the departed leaders i would suspect. I believe there is Lithium in them thar hills
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Horsham 27 Aug 21 6.39am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

I believe there is Lithium in them thar hills

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Aug 21 7.16am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Now confirmed that the US handed a list of us nationals, green card holders & those that have helped the US over to the Taliban so they can help find them. This is treason surely? Biden & his progressive administration need to go but Republicans are far too f***ing weak to impeach him. Interesting tit bit I keep reading Osama bin laden had a kill list of US officials, Biden didnt make the list because he was considered such an idiot it was better to keep him alive as the odds on him making a disaster of something in the future would probably benefit Al Qaeda. Not such a leap when you consider Bin Laden was a CIA agent for many years. Churchill vetoed assassinating Hitler for the same reason. He was worried somebody competent might take over. One more point
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Beckenham 27 Aug 21 7.16am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Now confirmed that the US handed a list of us nationals, green card holders & those that have helped the US over to the Taliban so they can help find them.

This is treason surely?

Biden & his progressive administration need to go but Republicans are far too f***ing weak to impeach him.

Churchill vetoed assassinating Hitler for the same reason. He was worried somebody competent might take over.

One more point

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Matov 27 Aug 21 7.57am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I think you’re going to be correct about a lot here. But Europe wanting to take on Israel to free the Palestinians? Seriously? Not Europe taking on Israel. Instead, Europe 'inviting' the population of Gaza city to come over. Suspect the notion will initially come from either a high-profile entertainer or similar (possibly a footballer?), or perhaps a new 'Greta' will just spontaneously emerge from the general population, and the campaign will be presented as a grass-roots one that politicians just cannot ignore. Probably the language used will even invoke claims of anti-semitism/zionism but that will be eventually ignored and then the flood-gates will open. All framed in terms of a humanitarian operation. And probably causing European Jews to up sticks and move over to Israel given the hostile population heading over here, meaning it's a win-win for Tel-Aviv. But, as I have said, pure tin-foil hat territory for me so treat, and sneer at, accordingly. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Aug 21 7.57am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think you’re going to be correct about a lot here. But Europe wanting to take on Israel to free the Palestinians? Seriously?

Not Europe taking on Israel. Instead, Europe 'inviting' the population of Gaza city to come over.

Suspect the notion will initially come from either a high-profile entertainer or similar (possibly a footballer?), or perhaps a new 'Greta' will just spontaneously emerge from the general population, and the campaign will be presented as a grass-roots one that politicians just cannot ignore. Probably the language used will even invoke claims of anti-semitism/zionism but that will be eventually ignored and then the flood-gates will open. All framed in terms of a humanitarian operation.

And probably causing European Jews to up sticks and move over to Israel given the hostile population heading over here, meaning it's a win-win for Tel-Aviv.

But, as I have said, pure tin-foil hat territory for me so treat, and sneer at, accordingly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Orange1290 27 Aug 21 8.22am
Originally posted by Matov And probably causing European Jews to up sticks and move over to Israel given the hostile population heading over here, meaning it's a win-win for Tel-Aviv. Not at all, 'Tel-Aviv' needs and survives by having it's citizens embedded in other nations societies, businesses, politics etc. It would be a an epic fail on their part. Pro China, EU & Palestine
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27 Aug 21 8.22am

Originally posted by Matov

And probably causing European Jews to up sticks and move over to Israel given the hostile population heading over here, meaning it's a win-win for Tel-Aviv.

Not at all, 'Tel-Aviv' needs and survives by having it's citizens embedded in other nations societies, businesses, politics etc. It would be a an epic fail on their part.

Pro China, EU & Palestine

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Aug 21 8.29am
The only thing clear to me , is that bombs have gone off, and people have been killed and injured. Information and mis-information abound. It is all wild speculation from the media, who are finding verifiable facts thin on the ground. Different media are quoting anywhere from "more than fifty" to "at least a hundred and twenty" killed I'm sure Hollywood and Tom Cruise are ready to start production on this. I disengage, I turn the page.
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The only thing clear to me , is that bombs have gone off, and people have been killed and injured.
Information and mis-information abound.

It is all wild speculation from the media, who are finding verifiable facts thin on the ground. Different media are quoting anywhere from "more than fifty" to "at least a hundred and twenty" killed

I'm sure Hollywood and Tom Cruise are ready to start production on this.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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