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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.31pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I’m not tieing the situations together, you are. Wars are wars wherever they are fought and regardless of the circumstances, soldiers understand the patriotic side of stirring songs like Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia. This is what we are talking about, not whether you or I think we should have given our Islands back. Eagleman was saying that you don’t understand how many people feel about those songs because you haven’t served in the forces and more particularly during a time of war and I agree with him. This is not about the moral argument of whether we should have rolled over for the Argentinians. Firstly, you are now lying. You directly linked the two conflicts so stop mumbling excuses, just say you made a mistake. As for the song, i was only aware that land of hope and glory was being discussed and that song has no resonance with me at all. It doesn't describe the country i grew up in or the country i now live in. On the other hand if it floats you and eaglemans boat then i don't know why you care what other people think. But then i suppose the bbc is funded by the people so i'd rather it didn't show the proms at all, eltiest nonsense. But on yet another hand i don't appreciate 99% of what the bbc produces so probably the best solution would be to halt the license fee and wind the whole thing up. Edited by ghosteagle (01 Sep 2020 6.32pm)
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01 Sep 20 6.31pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I’m not tieing the situations together, you are. Wars are wars wherever they are fought and regardless of the circumstances, soldiers understand the patriotic side of stirring songs like Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia. This is what we are talking about, not whether you or I think we should have given our Islands back.

Eagleman was saying that you don’t understand how many people feel about those songs because you haven’t served in the forces and more particularly during a time of war and I agree with him. This is not about the moral argument of whether we should have rolled over for the Argentinians.

Firstly, you are now lying. You directly linked the two conflicts so stop mumbling excuses, just say you made a mistake. As for the song, i was only aware that land of hope and glory was being discussed and that song has no resonance with me at all. It doesn't describe the country i grew up in or the country i now live in. On the other hand if it floats you and eaglemans boat then i don't know why you care what other people think. But then i suppose the bbc is funded by the people so i'd rather it didn't show the proms at all, eltiest nonsense. But on yet another hand i don't appreciate 99% of what the bbc produces so probably the best solution would be to halt the license fee and wind the whole thing up.

Edited by ghosteagle (01 Sep 2020 6.32pm)

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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.33pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The Falkland Islanders are more British than many that inhabit the U.K. why should we have abandoned them? In what way exactley?
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01 Sep 20 6.33pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

The Falkland Islanders are more British than many that inhabit the U.K. why should we have abandoned them?

In what way exactley?

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.33pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle Well, given that we were prepared to cede them to agentina in the 60s and that we have a dodgy claim to them anyway, plus they are a drain on the national resource it would have been far better for us to let agentina reassert control. Not worth fighting a war over. So British Citizens are a drain on our resources! More so than the thousand of asylum seekers and benefit claiming work shy? Who should we cede them too?
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Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.33pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Well, given that we were prepared to cede them to agentina in the 60s and that we have a dodgy claim to them anyway, plus they are a drain on the national resource it would have been far better for us to let agentina reassert control. Not worth fighting a war over.

So British Citizens are a drain on our resources! More so than the thousand of asylum seekers and benefit claiming work shy? Who should we cede them too?

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.34pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle In what way exactley? They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it?
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Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.34pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

In what way exactley?

They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it?

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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 20 6.35pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle Well, given that we were prepared to cede them to agentina in the 60s and that we have a dodgy claim to them anyway, plus they are a drain on the national resource it would have been far better for us to let agentina reassert control. Not worth fighting a war over. Ok, lets address your points. Firstly, internal discussions within government is not the same as government policy. There is nothing wrong with discussing whether the Falklands was worth keeping behind doors. The decision was made that it was. So, we were never 'prepared', because that decision was never made. For it being a dodgy claim....maybe, maybe not. Most borders around the world could be argued over. The Falklands however, is as far from Argentina as Spain is from us. It's far away from them to make it's own mind up. I'd say Spain have far more of a case for Gibraltar than Argentina have to the Falklands. As for what is and isn't a drain on resources....Well, I can think of quite a few things I wouldn't be spending money on before the Falklands....which quality men died for. As for 'not worth fighting for' and we should have 'let Argentina reassert control' this is probably your weakest points. Firstly the vast majority of the Falklands island population were from the UK originally. Secondly, If you believe in the principle of self determination then once the Falklands population had decided to be British then defending them against an invasion is most definitely 'worth fighting for'. The Argentina military dictatorship that invaded and took the islands had no right to invade and just 'letting it happen' isn't only weakness of the highest order but anti British. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 20 6.35pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Ok, lets address your points.

Firstly, internal discussions within government is not the same as government policy. There is nothing wrong with discussing whether the Falklands was worth keeping behind doors. The decision was made that it was.

So, we were never 'prepared', because that decision was never made.

For it being a dodgy claim....maybe, maybe not. Most borders around the world could be argued over. The Falklands however, is as far from Argentina as Spain is from us. It's far away from them to make it's own mind up. I'd say Spain have far more of a case for Gibraltar than Argentina have to the Falklands.

As for what is and isn't a drain on resources....Well, I can think of quite a few things I wouldn't be spending money on before the Falklands....which quality men died for.

As for 'not worth fighting for' and we should have 'let Argentina reassert control' this is probably your weakest points.

Firstly the vast majority of the Falklands island population were from the UK originally. Secondly, If you believe in the principle of self determination then once the Falklands population had decided to be British then defending them against an invasion is most definitely 'worth fighting for'.

The Argentina military dictatorship that invaded and took the islands had no right to invade and just 'letting it happen' isn't only weakness of the highest order but anti British.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.39pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Sep 20 6.37pm
Originally posted by Spiderman They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it? They held a referendum not that long ago and voted overwhelming to remain British. Now does that cause us problems with Argentina sure but you don't abandon your people just because it's inconvenient. Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2020 6.38pm) One more point
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Beckenham 01 Sep 20 6.37pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it?

They held a referendum not that long ago and voted overwhelming to remain British. Now does that cause us problems with Argentina sure but you don't abandon your people just because it's inconvenient.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Sep 2020 6.38pm)

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.38pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle In what way exactley? They were offered 250,000 US dollars to become Argentinan. One Islander voted for that offer. Personally, I would take it, so fair play to them. I still wouldn't like Maradona though. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.38pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

In what way exactley?

They were offered 250,000 US dollars to become Argentinan. One Islander voted for that offer. Personally, I would take it, so fair play to them. I still wouldn't like Maradona though.

Red and Blue Army!

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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.38pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Because that is the right thing to do. Another country invades your territory and you roll over. On a more serious more Honduras was threatening to invade British Belize through out the seventies and eighties and only the presence of our troops stopped them. As for Gibraltar Spain could easily invade if they ever felt we would not defend it. With the exception of Diego Garcia I can't think of one territory that has allegiance to us that does not want to stay British and until they change their minds they deserve our protection. And lets us not forget that it was the military Junta that invaded the Falklands the same Junta that disappeared thousands of their own people who were socialists so you'd think the left would be happy we defeated them and brought democracy to Argentina. I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them.
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01 Sep 20 6.38pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Because that is the right thing to do. Another country invades your territory and you roll over.

On a more serious more Honduras was threatening to invade British Belize through out the seventies and eighties and only the presence of our troops stopped them.

As for Gibraltar Spain could easily invade if they ever felt we would not defend it.

With the exception of Diego Garcia I can't think of one territory that has allegiance to us that does not want to stay British and until they change their minds they deserve our protection.

And lets us not forget that it was the military Junta that invaded the Falklands the same Junta that disappeared thousands of their own people who were socialists so you'd think the left would be happy we defeated them and brought democracy to Argentina.

I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them.

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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.39pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So British Citizens are a drain on our resources! More so than the thousand of asylum seekers and benefit claiming work shy? Who should we cede them too? Yes, the work shy should be ceded. So we are then in agreement.
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01 Sep 20 6.39pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So British Citizens are a drain on our resources! More so than the thousand of asylum seekers and benefit claiming work shy? Who should we cede them too?

Yes, the work shy should be ceded. So we are then in agreement.

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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.40pm
Originally posted by Spiderman They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it? But, so are the people born in Britain. You said they were more british. You still haven't explained.
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01 Sep 20 6.40pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

They are British Citizens from birth, not really that hard to comprehend is it?

But, so are the people born in Britain. You said they were more british. You still haven't explained.

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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 20 6.41pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC They were offered 250,000 US dollars to become Argentinan. One Islander voted for that offer. Personally, I would take it, so fair play to them. I still wouldn't like Maradona though. Spliter! You are Irish though so we'll let you off. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 20 6.41pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They were offered 250,000 US dollars to become Argentinan. One Islander voted for that offer. Personally, I would take it, so fair play to them. I still wouldn't like Maradona though.

Spliter!

You are Irish though so we'll let you off.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.46pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle But, so are the people born in Britain. You said they were more british. You still haven't explained. Read my post again I said more British than MANY that inhabit the U.K., not ALL. By the way not everyone born in the U.K. are automatically entitled to British Citizenship, this is not the USA. Hope this explains it
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Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.46pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

But, so are the people born in Britain. You said they were more british. You still haven't explained.

Read my post again I said more British than MANY that inhabit the U.K., not ALL.
By the way not everyone born in the U.K. are automatically entitled to British Citizenship, this is not the USA.
Hope this explains it

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