Sometimes, I feel that the liberal left are as much a danger on here. They seem to hold whites/police to a higher standard than blacks. If Zimmerman kills a black guy he is a prick (rightly so), we all condemn. Every 14hours a black man is killed by a fellow black man in Chicago.... No condemnation, is it that we expect that of blacks... They can't be helped, so why bother condemning them, they're a bunch of savages, would we expect any better?
We have to start holding everyone to the same standard, and people taking responsibility for their actions.
I think sometimes the left take their starting point from what the far right say, instead of viewing the issues with a clear mind.

Well police should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen for fairly obvious reasons, and it would be absurd to hold police to the same standards as ordinary citizens. By default all professionals are held to a higher standard, that's the nature of being a professional, undergoing professional training etc.

When their ultimate line of defence is used against them i.e. Guns, then just how are they supposed to take the moral high ground when a firearm arm is used against them. They are human after all Jamie, and with all the training in the world only an idiot with a death wish wouldn't fire if being fired upon. Point being is someone is waving a gun at you, the kill or be killed question comes into play and regardless of my personal training I know what I would do.

The issue with black on black violence isn't relevant, because the criminal justice and law enforcement system in place deal, often excessively, with this problem.

It is relevant in as much white cop on black person shootings, falls into insignificance when compared to black on black gun crime and murder, so where's the movement/group to protest about that ? The racist word or oppression can't be applied so it gets no traction.

But there is a massive problem in parts of the US with how the police operate, how they're managed, how their actions are reviewed and oversight. There is also a massive problem in the US with guns and the willing acceptance of the use of lethal force as an immediate resort or response. On white and black, and typically the poor.

Jamie as I said earlier, if the entire population of a country is allowed by law to carry a gun, then is it any surprise the Police do to ? I do however agree that some of the more shall we say "remote" areas in the US where 50 percent of the town is called cleetus, and the other half Mary Jane, (and Where the film Deliverance is used as an instructional sex ed film) the policing is as basic as the people living there. I also agree that there should be a complete overhaul of the way policing is done in the US.

US Policing policies have increasingly created a 'us and them' situation in poor communities regarding the police, of which the BLM has become a focus (largely because the white poor don't have a civil rights movement in place to protect them)

They are police officers, they are not there to be children's entertainers and your best mate, they are there to uphold the law and protect people from those who would break it. IMO you always tend to find groups like the BLM are spawned out of hatred for ones own lot in life, and an incorrect assumption that you are owed what your neighbour has, well no, actually your not. Your entitled to what you work for, not what you steal.

My issue with the whole mess in the US is that only some citizens are deemed responsible for their actions not all, and that with the police in the US, there is a problem that's escalated out of the failure to implement responsibility and clear, independent oversight that is responsible for people being killed unnecessarily and by unprofessional police behaviour.

The issue is not with the officers. Again as I stated before if someone reaches for a gun in a country where Police officers are shot and killed everyday and you also have a gun, it's self preservation. Killings of any race by police officers in the US of any race will continue until the gun issue is solved. No gun = no shootings.

If social injustice feeds protest, would you support a White Lives Matter style protest directed at black people who commit far too much crime against them?

No, because its selectively racist and the police are notably very effective at pursuing crime committed by black people (given the rates of incarceration and zero tolerance programs aimed at black crime). I don't see what you'd be protesting - There is no social injustice to white people in how US law enforcement pursue crime committed by black people.

I don't support BLM either, I support the idea that the police must be accountable in a clear and just manner for their action, irrespective of the race, social class, gender or sexuality.

However, I do realise that BLM highlight a very valid issue with the use of excessive force, lethal force and how they target the poor (of all racial hues) and how the justice system fails the poor in the US time and again, which showing preference to offenders of middle and upper class groups.

Its not a race thing, its a class thing.

No, because its selectively racist and the police are notably very effective at pursuing crime committed by black people (given the rates of incarceration and zero tolerance programs aimed at black crime). I don't see what you'd be protesting - There is no social injustice to white people in how US law enforcement pursue crime committed by black people.

I don't support BLM either, I support the idea that the police must be accountable in a clear and just manner for their action, irrespective of the race, social class, gender or sexuality.

However, I do realise that BLM highlight a very valid issue with the use of excessive force, lethal force and how they target the poor (of all racial hues) and how the justice system fails the poor in the US time and again, which showing preference to offenders of middle and upper class groups.

Its not a race thing, its a class thing.